Sorry my text editor of choice is KEdit, a windows version of XEdit. Extensible using REX, (I think I have a REX manual around here somewhere), a language that is one understandable by mere mortals and doesn't lead me to trying to rewrite the editor entirely, so I actually get some work done.
Gonz wrote: > Then you need to run M-x doctor. > (ever tried that?) > :) > > On 10/16/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Now I know I'm in the twilight zone... >> >> Gonz wrote: >> >>> Exactly. I frequently run into situations where making very >>> sophisticated edits to extremely large and complex files would have >>> been impossible in any other editor (especially the practially useless >>> vi). Emacs rules. I have a large library of Lisp emacs extensions >>> for dozens of special needs. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/16/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> But it's extensible using LISP, how could that be bad? >>>> >>>> Adam Maas wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Actually it's just ingrained muscle memory, years of having to use vi >>>>> while maintaining services on Unix machines means that the basic editing >>>>> commands are pretty much automatic. vi is ideal for that use, it's >>>>> lightweight and everything has it. >>>>> >>>>> I still :wq on a regular basis in just about every other editor/word >>>>> processor. >>>>> >>>>> If you want punishment, use emacs. All the weight of Word, none of the >>>>> Eye Candy. >>>>> >>>>> -Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> P. J. Alling wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> You are a glutton for punishment... >>>>>> >>>>>> Adam Maas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I use vi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adam >>>>>>> Always the odd one out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom C wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use >>>>>>>> WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll bet it's a 5/95 ratio if not higher. Not too different from where >>>>>>>> Pentax stands in the market, despite some recent relative success with >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> K10D. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your suppositions are probably correct. When I say done for, I'm not >>>>>>>> predicting when... I'm saying that inevitable market forces will >>>>>>>> finally >>>>>>>> take their toll, unless something changes quickly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tom C. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under >>>>>>>>> NDA) ? >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:34 -0400 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why? Pentax has never been a player in the Pro 35mm market. Not being >>>>>>>>> one now will make little difference. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I expect to see them bring out a body above the K10D within the next 6 >>>>>>>>> months, or a K10D 'successor' that is little more than the new Sony >>>>>>>>> 12MP >>>>>>>>> sensor and a new shutter in the K10D body, perhaps with a higher >>>>>>>>> framerate. I don't expect to see a Pentax body above the $1300 or so >>>>>>>>> price point. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Adam >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tom C wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LOL. You're not breaking it to me. I was being kind. :-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pentax has a slim chance yet to recover. If they blow it in the >>>>>>>>>> next 6 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - 12 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> months though, I susect they are done for. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tom C. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Mark Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "pdml" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) >>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:59:17 -0400 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I hate to break it to you, but in the USA, Pentax *is* a "2nd tier >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> camera >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> company". The company hasn't released a truly professional system >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> camera >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> here (or anywhere, actually) since the LX. The current high-end >>>>>>>>>>> Pentax >>>>>>>>>>> lens >>>>>>>>>>> selection is miniscule compared to Canon and Nikon. Pentax does not >>>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>>> the kind of professional support that Canon and Nikon do at major >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> sporting >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> events. Pentax products lack presence on store shelves in the USA. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tom C wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Sessoms" >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> NDA) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If memory serves the other two are an over-priced Nissan and an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> over-priced Honda. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess that depends on what your personal comfort is worth. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> William Robb >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My analogy was not about price, it was about image, prestige, >>>>>>>>>>>> perception in the market place. Sure a FF DSLR will cost more >>>>>>>>>>>> than one with an APS-C size sensor. If the Canons, Nikon's, >>>>>>>>>>>> Sony's of the world offer FF DSLR's, then Pentax must also. >>>>>>>>>>>> If they do not, they will relegate themselves to a 2nd >>>>>>>>>>>> tier camera company, and it doesn't matter who loves their >>>>>>>>>>>> camera, or how much it satisfies their current needs. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tom C. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Remember, it's pillage then burn. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> -- >> Remember, it's pillage then burn. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
