In a message dated 11/12/01 8:17:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH take into account the sorry
> shadow detail
> 
> 
>  > >
> > Hmm, I seem to recall that once I have the color balance dialed into the
> > enlarging head, I can expose about 12 8x10 (or other size) prints a
> minute,
> > producing 60 8x10s, dry-to dry prints in about 37 minutes.
> 
> "    How about two weeks later? Or maybe two months? After you get the new
> balnce you can knock them out, but it will take a little time to set it up
> again..."
> 
> 
I record every prodcution value for every negative I use. Thus, when I ahul 
that negative or one form the same strip of negatives, I only have to dial in 
the recorded values, shoot a test strip or two and proceed. Takes minutes.

> Maybe what you say counts if one has a poor or B&W negative and must dodge

> > and burn parts of it.
> > My own experience with digital is that even the quality in the SONY Mavica
> > leaves images with much to be desired once uploaded, nearly every image
> > needing some sort of "tweaking" before you can print them.
> 
> "True, but the Mavica sucks, don't judge digital by the worst it has to
> offer"

I truly didn't (don't).

> > Even then, what you get out of the printer (any) is ~NEVER~ what you see
> on
> > the monitor. ~Each~ digital image comes out different and take more time
> to
> > "finish" than chemical prints.
> 
> "    You have a badly calibrated system. Do you maintain the same temp for
> you color processing? Then perhaps you should also calibrate your monitor to
> your printer."

You advice does not obviate my observation.

> That does ~not~ take into account the sorry
> > shadow detail in digital prints (and slides), no matter what kind of flash
> is
> > used.
> > **Ever seen a digital print made from a slide with poor or no shadow
> detail?
> > You'd lose your lunch!
> 
> "    Actually, if the scanner can get the detail, you can have much better
> shadow info than in a traditional print. This is because you can control the
> contrast of different luminosities separately (and then the luminence of
> each color can be changed independantly). In other words, I can increase or
> decrease the shadows' contrast information without touching the highlights.
> Try that in a darkroom!"

As you say, shooting a good negative stops all that. 


> > ***With digital paper costing an arm and leg, and having to sometimes
> print
> > three-four-five "tests" to get one "good" print, who says digital is
> > "comparable" in costs to chemical prints? With chemical prints of course,
> one
> > uses test strips but one 8x10 film sheet will yield seven or eight strips.
> 
> "    There shouldn't be any tests after properly calibrating your system..."
> 

Shouldn't be, but the best laid plans... <g>
 
Mafud
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