By all accounts, the K10D is a winner. I have both the K10D and the D. I never use the D unless I need a second camera for event shooting. The size differential is a plus for me. I find the D a bit too small for my hands and not sufficiently bulky to balance larger lenses. Paul -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I could make that argument. However it's not clear the K10d has too > many improvements, though at a price in size and weight. I like the > size of the *ist-D and Ds. If Pentax built a *ist-D follow on, (the > K10d is really a different beast entirely), or a *ist-Ds follow on, (the > K100/110 are more like DL follow ons), with 10mp sensors and a > pentaprism, with or without IS and the ability to use the new supersonic > focusing lenses, I think they'd have another winner. > > Paul Stenquist wrote: > > I agree completely. I misread your earlier comment. I thought you > > said it was a better camera than a K10D. > > Sorry. > > Paul > > On Oct 30, 2007, at 3:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > > > >> Larger buffer better view finder, same sensor. The Jpeg processing is > >> more pleasing to those who're moving up from a P&S, but I doubt that > >> you'd shoot Jpeg and who except a beginner would shoot Jpeg without > >> setting up the camera to their liking. You disagree? Still obviously > >> you want an argument so I guess you do. By the way have you even > >> seen a > >> K110D or it's direct ancestor the DL, let alone bought one? I > >> thought not. > >> > >> Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> > >>> Strange. Why is a Ds a better camera overall? Enlighten us. > >>> Paul > >>> On Oct 29, 2007, at 8:21 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> K110d's seem to be MIA, not available anywhere, but then again a > >>>> used Ds > >>>> or Ds2 sells for less and is a better camera overall. > >>>> > >>>> Adam Maas wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I doubt it, from everything I've seen, Pentax has been shipping > >>>>> K10D's > >>>>> out to stores about as fast as they can get them in. > >>>>> > >>>>> K110D's on the other hand... > >>>>> > >>>>> -Adam > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Tom C wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> I said alot more because the article said "Sales at the company, > >>>>>> which also > >>>>>> makes medical > >>>>>> equipment rose 15 percent". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I suspect alot of those sub-$700 K10D's are in the writedown. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What is says to me is that while sales are up (good) and profit > >>>>>> is up > >>>>>> (good), due to the writedown, net income is down (bad). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tom C. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Pentax Inventory Writedown > >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:51:00 -0400 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Tom C wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Paraphrased from a 10/29 Bloomberg article: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Pentax Corp., said first-half profit fell 45 percent, missing > >>>>>>>> its own > >>>>>>>> estimate, after writing down the value of its inventory. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Net income declined to 600 million yen ($5.3 million) in the > >>>>>>>> six months > >>>>>>>> ended Sept. 30, lagging behind its July forecast of 1.4 billion > >>>>>>>> yen. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sales > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> at the company, which also makes medical > >>>>>>>> equipment rose 15 percent. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "We have depreciated our inventory, including endoscopes, as we > >>>>>>>> had > >>>>>>>> difficulty competing with our rivals,'' mainly in North > >>>>>>>> America, Jiro > >>>>>>>> Okamura, a spokesman at the Tokyo-based company, said > >>>>>>>> by telephone. The writedown led to a one-time loss of about 900 > >>>>>>>> million > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> yen, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> he said. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The company's sales rose to 85.6 billion yen from 74.7 billion > >>>>>>>> yen. > >>>>>>>> Operating profit, or sales minus the cost of goods sold and > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> administrative > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> expenses, more than doubled to 3.3 billion yen from > >>>>>>>> 1.56 billion yen. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ------------------ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Maybe those bargain basement camera prices in N.A. aren't that > >>>>>>>> great > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> after > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> all. Selling a lot more things that aren't worth as much. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Tom C. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That could explain the recent flood of Pentax refurbs that I've > >>>>>>> seen here > >>>>>>> in Canada. They're going cheap too. Lots of low-end MZ's, FA-J > >>>>>>> lenses, and > >>>>>>> a few DS's and DL's. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If you write down inventory, you aren't talking about 'Selling a > >>>>>>> lot more > >>>>>>> things that aren't worth as much.', you're talking about excess > >>>>>>> stock. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It sounds like Pentax wrote down a fair bit of older stuff they > >>>>>>> were > >>>>>>> sitting on (like the aforementioned cheap film kit) which > >>>>>>> impacted their > >>>>>>> net income. Otherwise the numbers look good, especially the > >>>>>>> operating > >>>>>>> profit increase. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -Adam > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > >>>>>>> above and > >>>>>>> follow the directions. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> The difference between individual intelligence and group > >>>> intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the > >>>> Harvard University football team. > >>>> > >>>> -- P. J. 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