In a message dated 11/16/01 8:42:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Subj:Re: Auro Show Snaps > Date:11/16/01 8:42:13 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shel Belinkoff) > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Ya know, this thread has gotten a little twisted around, and has turned > away from my original question, which was that I wanted to try some > color film to catch ~people~ drooling over the cars at the show. > Comments were made about how to photograph cars, which are purely > incidental to the people at the show.
Then all you need is (any) f/1.4 50 mm or f/1.8 85 mm lens, ISO 800 color film (any) and you're done. > Photographing people in the style that I do precludes the use of flash. > Flash gets in the way of quiet, unobtrusive photography." > > Flash sure as hoot surprises, sometimes intrudes but flash in and of itself > is part of many social gatherings. I guarantee you others in the crowd will > be firing away, (if cameras are allowed), taking snaps of this or that > favorite automobile. Your (any) flash will (would) be one of hundreds. But agreed if the venue itself were somewhat more subtle. > to shoot a few frames or make a series of exposures of a > certain person or group of people, once the flash goes off the mood is > ruined, or at > least changed, from what I would be trying to capture, that being > fleeting moments, subtle interactions, and the dynamics of people in > specific situations." Honestly, you ~truly~ expect to get all that from a crowd at a ~car~ show? Please! That crowd? PLEASE! Maybe if you were speaking of surreptitious shooting at an auction of rare gazillion dollar cars you'd find your anticipated crowd. But in that crowd, shooting with anything less than a Leica "M" and a SUMICRON?(sp) f/1.2, 50 mm lens or other, would show others you really didn't understand ~where~ you were. You'd be better off finding the crowd you seek shooting in a museum, a place where introspective people are part of the ambiance. But a CAR SHOW? PLEASE!! > "Using color film is, for me, a learning process. Knowing how it would > perform in a given situation, such as the show environment, is my > primary interest. So, the idea is to use a film that's best suited to > the situation, and perhaps use a filter to help. However, that's as far > as I'll go ... no flash, no way, no how." Again, any~ f/1.4/ f/1.7 lens with any ISO 800 color film will do. > The use of a flash would impede the learning process, as it would mask > or obliterate any color cast that the film would pick up." But ... but, you actually WANT to get all those yucky colors? PLEASE! Or are you saying you didn't know that shooting ~color~ film under mixed lighting would give mixed results? > wedding photographer. I am not a journalist sitting amongst > hoards of > other journalists snapping away at their subject using loud winders and > motor drives, long or zoom lenses, and flash, which, often, their > subjects are used to and have come to expect." UMM-HMMM! > I also noted that I wanted to try a ~roll~ of color. Once that's done, > all else will be shot with B&W, with a 35 mm lens, maybe a 50mm in my > pocket, and a single, quiet camera body." Then the tools you need to shoot (minus the color film, would already be on hand (or pocket). " No flash is needed for B&> don't have to worry about color balance and > custom printers, and I can concentrate on the subjects at hand." But ...but you gave ~no~ indication of all that in your question. Your question, worded as it was, led me and others to believe you were going to shoot the ~show~, the stars of which are...cars, with beautiful, glossy paint jobs, the shooting of which without flash would give you yucky (color print/slide) results. Threads wander, as one list member or another finds something in the thread they want to make a suggestion on or make a comment. Your question, worded as it was, brought out a response from the old PJ in me, a person who shot more than a few dog/car/home/flower shows when my career first started. In B&W they're easy. But in color, under the variety of lighting found in each venue? You'd need filter(s) and luck to get what you asked. **When I started, B&W was the only film street level PJs shot. Back in those days, automatic fill flash would have been welcome, unless of course one likes black and white photos that are literally ... black and white, with few shades of gray. If I were able to today, I might delve into B&W stills and macros, especially with all those yummy fast B&W emulsions. So instead of spending hours over an easel, dodging and burning, working hard to get "tonality," I could actually shoot for (and get) six shades of gray. > Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
