On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Can we say: "affordability"? The gist of the "data transfer" thread
> assumes (mightily), that tens of millions of folks are going to buy
> the latest storage medium then transfer again every time the storage
> medium changes.

Huh?  Go back and read what I said... I *never* argued about how many
people are or are not going to transfer their data.  I don't care if 10
million people or one person transfer their data... my points about data
transfer are about the process itself, not how many people use it.

And an intelligent person won't transfer their stuff every time a new
storage medium appears, just every time a new one becomes dominant, and
when it looks like their current medium won't be around for much longer.

> Businesses who have a vested interest in maintaining access to their
> products, (music, radio, television, video and movies, businesses)
> regularly and readily transfer property to new storage technology. Ted
> Turner is the Guru of the genre, by now having copied and restored the
> entire MGM movie library.

Agreed.
 
> Not so we consumers. There are tens of millions of 78rpm records out there 
> whose owners have not or do not think about transferring their data. Ditto 
> for 8-track tapes, 45rpm records, 8 and 16mm movies. Why? 

Where did we get talking about records?  I'm talking about
photographs.  People didn't transfer their records because it was cheaper
and easier to buy the CD version of the album.  Think about it... there
was no need to transfer their music albums because they could buy a copy
on whatever media came next.  The same people need to transfer their
photos if they want them to last beyond the realistic life of the
negatives.  Personally, I don't care if they transfer the photos
themselves or get a company to do it for them... that's irrelevant to my
points.

> Transferring data is damned expense is one why. Nostalgia in the guise
> of being or owning contemporary stuff costs like h*ll. Here we are on
> this list, most of whom still harbor the "boxes under the bed"  
> storage system. Why don't they (PDMLers), 100% of them, knowing what
> they know, transfer their slide/negative/print data as per new storage
> medium?  Again, because the transfer is 1. Expense (priced a quality
> DVD-R or RW machine lately)?

CD-RW's are pretty cheap now unless you want the high-end ones that can
run while you're working on your computer.  I got mine for less than $200
CAN and it's worked fine.

> 2. labor intensive 
> 
> 3. Time-consuming 
> 
> 4. boring.

So don't do it, then.  I'm not arguing that digitizing your negatives is
the most fun or exciting job in the world.  All I'm saying is that it's
the *only* way that you stand a chance of being able to make high-quality
prints beyond the life of the negatives.  If you don't want to do that,
fine.  If it's too expensive for you, fine.  If you'd prefer not to spend
a day or so every 20 years doing this, fine.  That's your choice.

As for the time and labour factor, there are two parts to this.  The only
real time-consuming part is digitizing your archived negatives and slides
in the first place, and you can cut down on this by using a scanner with
software like Digital Ice or by having someone else do it for you.  Or
just buy a digital camera.  :)  Once your photos are digitized, it takes
next to no time to transfer them to another medium.  The size and price of
storage media are always going down.  If you think that taking one day out
of 20-30 years is unreasonable, then that's your decision.  You may find
it "boring", but I bet a lot of us would find it pretty interesting.

> Large newspapers/magazines keep huge amounts of their staff busy
> archiving, transferring their merchant and intellectual properties on
> microfilm and other storage media. Those with a vested interest in
> maintaining their intellectual or creative property do. Those
> without-don't. As I noted, transferring my negatives/prints to CD
> didn't reduce the storage space used, just made it more accessible.
> And who, beside me, gives a hoot about my images?

Your great-great grandchildren, perhaps?  If you don't care about the fact
that later descendents or centuries might prize them as part of the
historical record, then why archive them on CD?  Keep them as negatives,
enjoy the prints and negs while they last, and then let them crumble away
into the dust.  Again, I'm not arguing that people should archive every
single one of their images digitally; I'm sure many people will only
digitize their favourites or the ones that will mean the most to them and
their families.

chris
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