Frank,
I'm a science/math kind of guy.
I believe in something called the 2nd law of thermodynamics and entropy.
It says clean will never easier/cheaper/faster/less costly, though it
may be better.
No brag, just fact.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Jan 28, 2008 3:12 PM, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2008 3:42 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Frank,
> > I shouldn't, but...
> >
> > So I'm in the 3rd world, not enjoying the nice standard of living you
> > have in Toronto.
> > I'd like indoor plumbing, a clean/warm/dry place to sleep, and enough to 
> > eat.
> > You guys burned all this fossil fuel, did all this pollution to raise
> > your lifestyles.
> > Now you want to prohibit us from doing the same in our lives?
> > Without this, we can never develop a economic base to let us live as
> > comfortably as you.
>
> Absolutely not!  Please, have the lifestyle you want, whether you live
> in India, China, Vietnam, wherever.
>
> The assumption is that industrialization will inevitably lead to
> pollution.  That fallacy is being perpetuated by our own corporate
> leaders, who are profiting handsomely by having most of their
> manufacturing done offshore where labour is cheap and the countryside
> is contaminated in all sorts of ways from these new factories.  They
> want goods on the cheap, and they don't care to look to the long-term
> effects on these populations.  Local robber-barons are more than happy
> to take our money to exploit their own workers, just as we in The West
> did since the industrial revolution.
>
> In reality, starting out "green" is cheaper than "dirty", and these
> developing countries have a wonderful opportunity to learn from our
> mistakes and show us how we should have done it in the first place.
> It also turns out that converting from "dirty" to "clean" is much much
> cheaper than we're led to believe, and clean and green is far more
> profitable than dirty in both the long and the short run.
>
> We all have to change our mindsets - it won't be painful at all, and
> the results can only be good for all of us...
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
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