In a message dated 1/29/2008 10:35:35 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
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Those are  generalities not facts, based on the rosy predictions of 
"experts" who  either don't know better or worse yet don't care.  Lets 
actually look  at the expected results as predicted, (or more for that 
matter look at the  actual results as predicted for actions already taken 
and what actually  happened).  If you take all inputs into account and 
expected longevity  of the vehicle which is more ecological a Hummer h1 
or a Toyota Prius.   Most would say the Prius, it is after all touted as 
being "green", but  depending how you do the analysis the reverse can be 
proved.  Both  analysis are within the bounds of reason.  You pick the 
one you like  based on your bias.  But bias doesn't tell which is right.  
It  depends really on what kind of pollution you prefer and how you 
measure  energy usage more than anything else.  However I'm more 
convinced by  the numbers on the side of the H1, yet as a civilian 
vehicle the H1 fails  miserably and I certainly wouldn't want to own 
one.  Sometimes what you  think is helping is hurting more than doing 
nothing at  all.

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Well, Peter, if we all thought like you then I say,  f-it let the human race 
die out when pollution/population is greater than clean  air/water/water 
supplies/food supplies.

OTOH, I am with frank on  capitalism, someone will jump right in on making 
money on "going green." They  already are.

Scratch an idealist, Peter, and one usually finds a cynic  underneath and not 
too deep down either. That is usually why they became or were  an idealist in 
the first place. The trick is to let hope outweigh despair and  the deep 
seated conviction that people are basically stupid.

HTH, Have a  Nice Day!  Marnie  ;-)

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