Sounds like a whopper. Scott Collegiate is a public school. No public school in the US could turn out a 10% graduation rate and retain funding. You're saying ninety percent of the parents and students are okay with their kids never graduating? I love how people who've never taught wax philosophical about how education should work. If you haven't stood at the front of an inner city classroom, you don't have a clue.
Paul
On Sep 26, 2008, at 2:21 PM, Bob Blakely wrote:

You have said it so much better than I have.

Our children deserve to be treated with respect. Instead, our government lies to them regarding their performance. Lying to them and to their parents is disrespectful and ultimately more damaging to them because our government is (in effect) saying they are intellectually and/or morally deficient. After all, it's important to lie to them (our children) so that they will (perhaps) keep coming to class. What does this accomplish? Certainly not education! It does, however, keep them watched and occupied and (hopefully) out of trouble. This provides parents with false hope and little more than day-care for their adolescents. It provides the school with bodies so that they can keep their funding up to pay (essentially) day-care providers relabeled as teachers, administrators to manage them and the all important political power that comes with numbers and funds so that the bureaucracy can be maintained. "Graduating" illiterate youngsters only adds them to the roles of those who must be supported by the state, thus insuring an ever increasing ignorant, dependent electorate who will vote to support their dependence.

A fellow walking down a city street noticed a man sitting on the sidewalk snapping his fingers. Seeing that the man had been doing this for some time, the fellow walked over to him and asked, "Sir, why are you snapping your fingers so fervently?" "It keeps the tigers away.", replied the man. "But sir, this is New York City! There are no tigers here!", said the fellow. To this the man replied, "Effective, isn't it."
   - Old joke, author unknown.

Regards
Bob...
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stenquist"

That's all well in good in theory. But there are times when pragmatic decisions must be made. I taught ninth grade in a Chicago inner city high school. If I had taught the curriculum as provided by the board of education and failed anyone who didn't achieve 70%, NO ONE would have made it beyond ninth grace, and the school would have become non- functional. Sometimes you have to deal with the reality of the situation you're confronted with.

My father taught at Scott Colleigiate here in Regina. For those who get McLean's magazine, Scott is in the heart of what polite society refers to as North Central Less polite people have some rather racist labels for it, but I digress. The school board fiddled with all sorts of strategies to keep kids in that school, everything from dropping programs that were considered Euro-Centric, and therefore culturally assimilative by the largely native community, putting in what they considered to be culturally friendly programs, dropping requirements so that students wouldn't have to live woth low marks and high expectations, putting a funded daycare into the school so that the student mothers could have their infant children close at hand, the list goes on.
Pragmatic decisions indeed.
At best, Scott has a 10% graduation rate, and this number hasn't changed significantly for many decades. I think that the less of a challenge you give, the less able people become to be challenged. I also think that it is an insult to any particular group, be they predomonantly black kids (correct me if I am wrong) in a Chicogo inner city school or native kids in a Regina inner city school to lower their educational standards below the median. Lower standards is telling them at an institutional level that they are less smart, less intelligent, and less able to cope in society, and then making truth out of it by graduating them without the skills required to become contributing members of mainstream society.

We slap them in the face from the time they enter school, and then wonder why they are bitter young men and women 12 years later.

The end result is high unemployment, more poverty, more crime, and more hopelessness. If you happen to live in a welfare state, the result is also higher taxes to support an unemployable group of illiterates, and a lot of ill will from the taxed group who work very hard to support a multi-generational life of leisure, as disfunctional parents beget disfunctional children in this sort of society.

If you apply the same standards to the entire population, those that fail have at least failed honestly rather than passed dishonestly, and the ones who pass dishonestly generally end up in the same boat anyway, since they are not only less prepared for their post educational life, they have gone through their schooling having it drilled into them that they aren't smart enough to cope.

Or perhaps it really is OK to graduate kids from grade 12 who can neither read nor write, and can't identify their own country when handed an atlas.

William Robb


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