On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Note that's a CF-104 being flown by Starfighters in that shot.
>
> And there's nothing unsafe about the Starfighter, it was a superb
> high-altitude interceptor and was quite safe in that role. The problem
> was the crazy idea that the Canadians and Germans had of using the
> things as low-level strike platforms that caused most of the crashes.
> heck, the CF-104's were air-to-ground only (and actually, Nuke-only
> until 1972) having no air-to-air capability whatsoever. We shoulda
> bought F-105's instead.

I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

I have an uncle who used to be in the Royal Canadian Air Force (back
when it was still called the Air Force).  He wasn't a pilot, but he
talked to plenty of them, and was told that part of the problem with
the crashes is that many of the German pilots simply weren't properly
trained in how to land them.  Because of the small wing area they
tended to stall when flaring out during landing (as one does for most
other planes).  They have to be flown (and flown fast) right down to
the runway.  That's why they have to deploy chutes and brakes to slow
down once on the ground.

When you stall during flare-out a hundred or fifty feet from the
ground, you can't recover, you fall, you die.  It's pretty simple.

Add that to everything you said, and I guess that's why the plane
acquired the rather unfortunate moniker "widow maker".

I agree with you that when used for its intended purpose it was a safe
and dependable airplane - and damned good-looking, too!

cheers,
frank


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