DID YOU READ MY EARLIER POST?

regular nimh batteries dont self discharge overnight
or in days.

These batteries you like are only significantly better
after a month or so and dramatically better after like
6-9 months.

If you think you are getting some edge in days or weeks
over "conventional" nimh batteries you are mistaken.

Do you really charge your batteries and not use them
for over a month or go 6-9 months before using them?

I dont.

I have three sets. I fully charge one set, put in camera.
if and when that dies, I have two other sets fully charged
ready to go at any time on a trickle charger. I dont
need those kind of batteries and I doubt you do either
unless you actually only have one set of battteries
and like to charge them and then not use the camera for
weeks or months.

come on, get practical. Those feature are of very little
real world value for the average photo guy. Charged in the
package? Who cares, stay charged for 9 months, who cares,
I use my camera every few days, not every few years.

JC O'Connell
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Bruce Walker
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:07 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: rechargeable batteries - any wisdom?


JC OConnell wrote:
> is the "out of the package" 80% charge that important
> in the real world or is it a marketing scheme.
>   

It's a side-effect of the very low self-discharge characteristic, and is

not at all important to me.

I agree that the "charged when new" thing is a marketing scheme, but 
it's quite a reasonable one because you can't sell "low self-discharge" 
to Joe Lunchbox or Aunt Tenna.  And it would appear to be working 
because now Sony and Duracell are reselling Eneloops under their own
name.


The crucial aspects of Eneloops that make them game-changers for me are 
the afore-mentioned low self-discharge, and the very flat voltage over 
time discharge curve together with reasonable capacity.

The Eneloop's 2000 mAh capacity is admittedly less than the 2700mAh 
cells available, but they work better in actual practice (at least in my

K100D Super) because the voltage droops fairly early in the discharge 
cycle of a typical Energizer or even the Ansmann-badged cells that came 
with my charger such that I only get about 200-300 shots before the 
camera quits.  I get 800-900 shots with the Eneloops under similar 
conditions.

With the low self-discharge I can charge the Eneloops, pop them into the

camera and then forget about them until the low-batt indicator appears.

I stuff everything into my kit-bag until I need it -- even if several 
weeks go by before I suddenly need to grab the bag and dash out 
somewhere to shoot.  I never worry at all about whether I charged up 
batteries the night before.


> For me, I would rather just pay less for nimh
> that dont have a charge when new or dont hold
> charges for 3-9 months, I couldnt care less unless
> it was a free feature maybe.
>   

I have shopped around and bought Eneloops at the same price as 
Energizers, so yes, it is (or can be) a free feature.

-bmw

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