FWIW, I do not think the APS format DSLR has a very long term viability. FF DSLR and the much smaller but similar performance to APS micro 4/3 systems would make more sense to me. I dont see the Pentax leap to 645D making sense, it would make more sense to go FF before going 645.
If FF sensor prices continue to fall, at some point APS will not be able to justify itself and will not be able to keep up with FF peformance with real lenses. JC O'Connell [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:42 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: FF pentax DSLR Umm, I guess you missed the entire lens production capacity issue that Pentax has been struggling with for the last 2 years? If they can't even keep their current production lenses reliably in stock, or manage to ship lenses announced 2 years ago, how the hell are they going to introduce a completely new set of FF zooms? Pentax would need a minimum of 3 new zooms (wide, normal, tele) to complement a new FF body for that body to be viable in the marketplace and they simply don't have the production capacity to make those lenses, even in the low volumes that a FF body would need (since its not like a FF body is going to sell in massive numbers anyways). -Adam On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:37 PM, JC OConnell <[email protected]> wrote: > I said "camera systems" which means FF cameras AND lenses. FF is not > just about AOV, its about higher resolution and lower noise at higher > ISOs. This FF issue wont go away. > > Regarding FF lenses, they produced them for many many years, I dont > see any reason why they cant get back into them, its not like they > havent been there. If they put all their eggs into the APS basket, > they may have made a mistake. > > JC O'Connell > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Adam Maas > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:14 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: FF pentax DSLR > > > You can't sell cameras without lenses. And Pentax is having enough > issues producing lenses for its current lineup (see all the delays on > new lenses getting to market, especially the 60-250). And no, those 12 > million 50mm f2's out there on the used market are not a viable > replacement for a proper FF lens lineup. Pentax can't put out a camera > that has to rely on the used marketplace for lenses if it wants that > camera to sell(Used Pentax lenses that aren't 28mm, 50mm or 135mm are > hard enough to get as it is) > > Pentax may put out a FF body. But not until they're ready to launch a > FF lens lineup again. The only way I could see them doing so today > would be to do a 'Limited' body to match the FA Limited lenses. But > then buyers would be stuck with Pentax's tiny range of FF lenses > (which comes down to the FA Limiteds, D-FA macros and a couple other > holdovers) > > -Adam > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:42 PM, JC OConnell <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Pentax has offer camera systems that keep up with >> the photo marketplace, not just their own current lens lineups... >> >> JC O'Connell >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Adam Maas >> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:10 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: FF pentax DSLR >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:58 PM, JC OConnell <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> Now that Canon, Nikon, and Sony (sony?) >>> all have FF (24x36mm) DSLRs, can pentax be far behind? >>> I cant believe Sony beat them to that punch. >>> >>> JC O'Connell >>> [email protected] >>> >> >> Pentax's lens line is almost entirely crop-oriented. Sony's lens >> lineup (inherited from Minolta and new designs) is almost entirely FF >> oriented. And Sony is a major sensor designer. And Sony'd all but >> announced an FF body back at PMA 2007. It's actually more surprising >> that Nikon beat Sony to the punch than Sony beating Pentax. >> >> -- >> M. 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