Pal,

I CAN tell you where all those functions are without using my manual.   And
I think it's pretty intuitive to boot.

It sounds like you didn't really use it enough.

Sure it can be intimidating to a new user.  I suspect no less so than a
MZ-S.  If you want complexity in a device, there will be added complexity in
the user interface.  You can't have it both ways.  It almost never works
that way.

The reason the aperture was set on the back dial not the front is BECAUSE
THEY DIDN'T DESIGN IT SOLELY FOR YOU PAL.

I swear to God, if they had, you would complain that the aperture dial was
not on the back.

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "P�l Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: My Review of PZ-1p for Photo.Net


> Mark wrote:
>
> >The two cameras have almost identical
> > functionality, but on the PZ-1p it is easier to navigate to where you
want
> > to go.
>
> Its sad then that Pentax totally missed the boat. The MZ-S was designd to
be easier in use than the Z-1p. Can you tell me which of the dial of the
Z-1p sets aperture and which shutterspeed without consulting the manual or
trying out on the camera? I'm not talking about someone who is familiar with
the camera but someone seeing it for the first time.  Can you tell me which
way to turn which dial for getting overexposure without consulting the
camera or the manual? Can you tell me which way to turn which dial for
getting overexposure when using exposure compensation? Did you realize its
oposite way than getting overexposure via manual mode? Was that intuitive?
> And where is the self time? The mirror lock? Manual please!
>
>
> >Two-second mirror lock-up is much faster to set on the PZ-1p, and the
> > MZ-S does not have 3-frame timer release, which I find very useful.
>
>
> Can anyone tell where the self-timer is located on the Z-1p without
consulting the manual? Do anyone have problems locating the self-timer on
the MZ-S? I'm sorry for these rethorical questions.
>
>
> >the PZ-1p LCD shows you
> > more readily where your ISO setting is.
>
> ??
>
>
> >The offset hot shoe on the
> > PZ-1p is simply brilliant design, and made the large LCD possible.
>
> And make the use of the built in flash close to impossible with any lens
because it mounted too low...
>
>
> > In summary, the PZ-1p remains a body that is a sheer joy to use:
abundantly
> > functional -- truly top notch -- and it is simply too bad that more
people
> > did not recognize this body as the truly pro-specification, easy to use
> > camera that it is. (Photo.Net's somewhat obvious bias against Pentax
hasn't
> > helped, and is truly a mystery to me.)
>
>
> It is not a mystery. The Z-1p is over complicated. In november this year
while visiting the Pentax distributor, a Pentax rep told me that the Z-1p
was so complicated for most users that many never enjoyed the camera.
Similarly, the design history of the MZ-S clarely state that complicated
cameras made the user enjoy the camera less. It doesn't take much
imagination to see the connections to the Z-1p. The MZ-S were designed to be
simple to use.
> I've used the Z-1p for six years almost every day and it never became
intuitive in use. There was no reason to me why the dial turned the way they
did and when. Nor why the aperture was set on the back dial and not the
front. Not to mention how difficult it was not to overscroll on those 64
options on one wheel.
> I'm sure for some technophiles the Z-1p is not complicated. But for
majority of users, many who need to confont the manual for programming their
VCR, the Z-1p is complex and intimidating.
>
> P�l
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