---- William Robb <[email protected]> wrote: 
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> From: <[email protected]>
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> Subject: Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...
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> > The negative reaction to Shel's critiques erupted after he said a photo 
> > was so bad that the poster should be ashamed for presenting it here. Most 
> > here have no problem with negative criticism, and debating the points of a 
> > critique shouldn't be seen as a bad reaction to the same.
> 
> The negative reaction to Shel's critique also put a permanent chill on 
> honest criticism of photos on this list.
> Sometimes a photo really is so bad that one has to question the wisdom of 
> the person posting the image, or sometimes the quality of a picture is so 
> far below the potential of the photographer that a flaying is in order.
> Unfortunately, by shooting the messenger, we have limited our critiques to 
> the banal, and this doesn't really help photographers get better at their 
> craft, if, in fact, improving themselves' as photographers is at the heart 
> of their interest when they post a picture.

I don't see that here so much as you.  Certainly there are quite a few 
responses to stuff that run along the lines of "nice pic!" but these seem to be 
confined, in the main, to those posters who have created a niche or genre for 
themselves on the list.  Maybe these folks should be subjected to more rigorous 
criticism....  There are quite a few examples of profound and extended 
criticism to be found here, mostly for those who express a desire for it in 
other than formulaic ways.  To me, the balance is about right.

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