From: Adam Maas
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Tom C <[email protected]> wrote:
> The sad part is:
>
> 1) Stupid greedy American corporations bring many of these so-call
> "highly trained professionals" over here on VISA's because they will
> work for far less than Americans.
Which is untrue by the way. They get paid market rates over here and
occasionally more. And they by-and-large are "highly trained
professionals" and typically actually have extensive experience. I've
worked with quite a number of these engineering expats over the years.
I've zero issues with them aside from occasional problems with their
spoken-english skills.
That's not the way it worked when I was at IBM in the late 90s. They
were bringing in west Asians on H1B visas as contractors because they
could pay them about half what U.S. engineers got paid for the same work.
Strictly speaking, you weren't supposed to tell anyone else working at
IBM how much YOU were getting paid. Partly because they might find out
how badly they were being screwed, partly because YOU might find out how
badly you were being screwed.
But I saw a lot of U.S. natives get laid off, and within a week their
jobs were filled by west Asian contractors working under H1B visas. And
occasionally, rarely, the U.S. native would be back doing his old job as
a contractor.
> 2) Stupid greedy American corporations surrepticiously build the case
> for bringing them over by claiming a lack of American workers, all the
> while planning to and displacing the higher paid citizen.
Because stupid greedy american parents prefer their kids take Business
or Arts degrees rather than Engineering. There is a lack of
American-trained engineers at the same time there is a major excess of
unemployable BA recipients. And most Comp Sci programs are pretty much
useless. You can't hire a BA to do a B.Eng's job and American's, by
and large, don't sem interested in acquiring the skillset necessary to
do these jobs and if they do, they often think they should be getting
mid/high-level jobs straight out of school.
I know too many unemployed and under-employed Caucasian & Afro-American
graduate engineers to accept that.
As well as a fair number of unemployed or under-employed west Asian
graduate engineers whose contracts ran out, but whose visas apparently
have not.
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