On Jan 24, 2010, at 3:14 PM, steve harley wrote:

> On 2010-01-24 13:01 , Ken Waller wrote:
>> 
>> Around here, you don't choose to join homeowner's associations - they
>> come with the house (in most sub divisions) - not joining means no house.
> 
> i'm so glad i live in an urban neighborhood whose diversity is itself seen as 
> a major attraction, and where displays of individuality are not only 
> tolerated, they are relished
> 
> in the interior west of the USA there persists a spirit of independence; it 
> has been abandoned in the landscape of the suburban "projects" as i call 
> them, the mass developments of the last 40 years or so; however the urbs, the 
> older suburbs, and the exurbs and small towns are largely without 
> restrictions on expression; so one _does_ have a choice

Plenty of older suburbs have homeowner's associations, and some of them have 
odious restrictions. Some poor urban neighborhoods have introduced similar 
covenants in an effort to combat blight. Most of the high-rise condominiums in 
New York and San Francisco have owner associations that impose restrictions on 
what residents can do. Some are much stricter than any suburban homeowner's 
association. "No pets" is a common restriction.  t's all a matter of what's 
important to the residents. 
> 
> (the downside of this western freedom is that too few see value in investing 
> in the collective welfare and future)
> 
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