"Given the D700's (ie, the D3) & it's price, that shouldn't be
a surprise"

Should read:

Given the D700's pedigree (ie, the D3) & it's price, that shouldn't be
a surprise

On 24 February 2010 21:58, David Savage <[email protected]> wrote:
> As someone who is obviously compensating for a small pee pee, I think
> I should add my thoughts on the whole FF question.
>
> Yes I own a D700. Yes it's full frame. Did I buy it because it's full
> frame. No, not really.
>
> I bought it for several reasons. The main one being it's much
> publicised low noise characteristics & high ISO performance. One of
> the contributing factors to low noise is sensor temperature. In all of
> the Pentax DSLRs I've used ( *istD, K10D & K20D) heat build up in the
> sensor has been a problem. Now this isn't an issue for most shooters,
> but at the time I was initially looking at the D700 I was fighting the
> K10/20D and spending lots of time in Photoshop cleaning up long
> exposure night shots that had huge magenta smears on them.
>
> Also for some time I had been dissatisfied with the AF & exposure
> performance of the K10/20D & until the announcement & release of the
> D700 I had been considering the D300. But while the D300's AF was
> excellent & very accurate exposure wise, I knew it had the same sensor
> amp glow issues with long exposure as my Pentax's. So while I was
> tempted to jump ship, I wasn't gaining the one thing I wanted most.
>
> At this point I'll admit that when the 5D first came out, I was very
> tempted & almost bought one on a couple of occasions, just because it
> was full frame. But at that time I was still the limiting factor when
> it came to picture making. Not the hardware. Practicality and common
> sense overruled my initial FF desires.
>
> I attended the official Perth launch for the D700 in '08 and I spent a
> solid 2 hours wandering around with the camera putting it through it's
> paces. I was bloody impressed (and I still am). AF, exposure &
> handling are all top notch. People around me kept commenting on the
> size of the viewfinder, but that wasn't something I wasn't paying
> attention to.
>
> I spent the next 4 weeks um'ing & ah'ing before I finally pulled the
> trigger. I don't for one second regret the decision. The technology &
> handling of that camera is several magnitudes above anything from
> Pentax. Given the D700's (ie, the D3) & it's price, that shouldn't be
> a surprise.
>
> Ultimately I bought the camera, because it was better spec'ed & the
> better tool for the kind of photography I'm interested in. Not because
> it was FF.
>
> And this is what any future Pentax FF DSLR has to live up too. It
> wouldn't be enough to just put a FF sensor in a camera with the K20D
> or K7 level of technology. Pentax would have to, IMHO, raise their
> technical standards much higher than they have previously.
>
> As I've said in the past, it doesn't matter how sharp a lens is, or
> how beautiful the bokeh, or how well the lens handles flare if the
> fucking photo is out of focus because the AF couldn't keep up or there
> is so much noise it looks like the shot was taken during a sand storm.
>
> Pentax has got away for a lot of years on the reputation of it's
> lenses (and it's a well deserved reputation. I know, I have some of
> their best glass). And back in the film days that wasn't such an
> issue, but the DSLR is such a pivotal part of image capture &
> ultimately image quality, that the Penatx faithful should be demanding
> much better. Not shrugging their shoulders and saying "thats the
> Pentax way"
>
> Now I hope they do release a 35mm FF camera some day. But I don't
> think it likely. They just aren't a big enough company to manufacture
> APS, digi MF & 35mm FF systems.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> On 23 February 2010 06:42, Boris Liberman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hey there.
>>
>> Just my opinion, really. I've spent good day and a half with my Minoltian
>> friend just recently. He's got Sony A850 and assortment of Minolta FF
>> lenses, such as 50/1.7, beercan, and some more. Well, I admit - I am
>> envious. The look and the technical qualities of the pics are pretty darn
>> amazing. Well, whatever you say about the full or fool format - I say it is
>> full and not fool.
>>
>> Let's hope Pentax does what I would like them to do ;-).
>>
>> Boris
>

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