On Dec 11, 2010, at 1:50 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: "Bob W"
> 
>>> Someone sent me this link - some very powerful pics...
>>> >
>>> > <http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/12/london_tuition_fee_protest.ht
>>> > ml>
>>> >
>> good stuff. Nice to see students getting worked up about something for a
>> change, even if it is a bit selfish. The police seem to have got it wrong
>> though.
>> 
> 
> One of those situations where there aren't many "good guys" on either side of 
> the line.
> 
> Good cops caught up in a bad situation. When every possible response is 
> wrong, the only thing you can do is try to find the least worst response. I 
> don't know if they were successful.
> 
> I think the government's policy regarding education costs are short sighted, 
> and will cost Britain a lot more more in the years ahead than they're ever 
> going to "save" with their cuts and tuition increases.
> 
> This applies to U.S. education policies as well.
> 
> Education should be as close to free as it's possible to make it, so that as 
> many can take advantage of it as want to.
> 
> Education is an investment in the future of the nation. Over the long term 
> everyone benefits from low cost education, whether you are paying tuition 
> yourself or have kids you're going to have to pay tuition for in the future. 
> Investing in creating an educated population has a very high Return on 
> Investment.
> 
> But it has to be an investment at the level of the society. It's not 
> something an individual, even the wealthiest individual can afford. Works the 
> other way as well. Disinvestment in education will bring very steep increases 
> in future costs.
> 
> Turning education into a profit center the way it's being done in Britain and 
> the U.S. is self defeating.

I think it's more about keeping it  a break-even situation. The European 
socialist model has pretty much failed. It's unsustainable, as most free-lunch 
plans tend to be.
Paul


> 
> The pool of educated workers will shrink and there won't be enough of them to 
> grow the economy. The cost of finding educated workers is going to go up 
> sharply, unless you bring low-wage workers trained in third world countries 
> where they understand the difference between the VALUE of education and the 
> COST of education. Those third world, low wage workers are going to bring 
> third world, low wage values along with them. They won't share the cultural 
> values of our societies.
> 
> And bringing in those low-wage workers creates another problem of how are you 
> going to deal with your own native population you've displaced from the job 
> market. You force the middle class down into the working class, and displace 
> the working class on to the dole.
> 
> It's been done before and it's always had disastrous results.
> 
> Bread and circuses will mollify the displaced worker for only so long. 
> Especially since sooner or later some "taxpayer" is going to revolt against 
> the cost of providing bread and circuses.
> 
> Meanwhile, the mob grows and grows down in the belly of the beast.
> 
> Read Gibbon; read Marx (and what Lenin & Stalin made of his writings); read 
> Mein Kampf ... the French tried it in the 18th century, and you can see where 
> that got them.
> 
> "Après Moi" anyone?
> 
> Every farmer knows you don't eat your seed. And that's exactly what our 
> current governments are proposing to do.
> 
> So there's your choice, invest in education, keeping the cost to the student 
> low, which offers very high future profit ... or don't invest in education, 
> letting the cost rise prohibitively, generating very high future costs.
> 
> OTOH, the student's behavior won't garner them much sympathy.
> 
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