You miss the point, rich people have fewer children and can afford to
care about the environment, poor people have more children, and can't
afford to care.
On 2/6/2011 5:33 PM, DagT wrote:
You miss the point. This is now. Will 2 billion more consumers affect the world
climate, or not.
In my view we should try to develop other resources anyway. Reduce our need for
oil, and you also reduce the power of some countries (including Norway) and the
possible negative effect on the climate. Rich countries tend to be
technologically conservative.
The US, more than most, has had the advantage of being able to utilize new
ideas and new technology. Why limit the technology research to the oil industry
and listen to their arguments, when you can get the advantage of investigating
other solutions. The climate may not be a perfectly sound argument it is
difficult to get absolute proof, but the effects of being wrong are very
dangerous and the advantages of being right are something for the future.
Do you want the chinese to develop superior technology when finding that the
oil is too expensive?
DagT
http://www.thrane.name
Den 6. feb. 2011 kl. 22.37 skrev P. J. Alling:
I would be much happier if the Indians and Chinese became rich enough to buy
those cars, they'd stop having so many children and relieve a lot of the stress
on all the worlds systems. Rich peoples have fewer children all other things
being equal. Actually China is a strange case. Their one child policy has
caused a couple of counter intuitive but very real problems, the Chinese have a
surplus of young men, boys children being preferred over girls in Chinese
society, and demographically a population that's ageing faster than almost any
other in Asia. It will be interesting to see what happens there if I live long
enough.
On 2/6/2011 3:28 PM, DagT wrote:
At what number do you think the exploding number of humans, with their
technology and consumption, WILL make a difference to the climate? Never?
I don´t know if it has happened yet, although the erratic behavior of the
climate indicates that we have come to that point. The point is: I hope we
never get there. The moment we have a significant influence on the world
climate we have passed the point of no return. I think we should be careful
long before we reach that point.
Just imagine the impact of more than 2 billion chinese and indian people being
able to buy their own car, as well as getting electricity into their houses.
DagT
http://www.thrane.name
Den 6. feb. 2011 kl. 16.54 skrev P. J. Alling:
The climate changes, it has been for the entire time life has been on earth.
We, and all other life, adapt, or die.
Your implication is that somehow our actions make a particularly large
difference is ludicrous, and always has been. We can create localized micro
climate changes. Very little more.
CO2 the common boogieman is a trace element. A good volcanic eruption will
add more to the atmosphere in one year than has the entire industrial
revolution, yet it the long run it barely registers.
The best predictor of future climate is the sunspot cycle yet most "climate scientests"
completely ignore it*, because we don't have a good idea of exactly why it works. But you know we
don't have a particularly good model of how anything in climate works. None of the common models
predict the future, none even reliably predict the past, unless you "massage" the data so
much it would make an Economist blush.
*That wasn't always the case, I remember learning about it in physical science
classes in Jr. High School.
On 2/6/2011 3:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
Could you be more specific?
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 2:54 AM, P. J. Alling<[email protected]>
wrote:
Total Bullshit.
On 2/6/2011 2:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
Wonderful!
BTW, there is no such thing as "global warming." It is more correctly
referred to a "climate change," and more that warming the entire
planet, it is bringing us more extreme weather of all types. If we
keep calling it "global warming," people suffering from unusual cold
and extreme snows fall to connect what is happening to them with the
world-wide changes affecting us all.
Dan
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Collin Brendemuehl
<[email protected]> wrote:
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/1/1/129068813376929711.jpg
Sincerely,
Collin Brendemuehl
http://kerygmainstitute.org
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