On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Anthony Farr <[email protected]> wrote:
> That was then and this is now.  I'm not comparing my camera's
> performance against film in 2001, I'm comparing it against its direct
> competitors sold at the same time.

So why was this reference to film brought up at all? Films have not
changed substantively since 1996 or so.

>> Two to three years is "too long"? Do you want to buy a new camera
>> every six months?
>>
>
> 2007 was 4 years ago, Olympus's current E-4xx and E-5xx series cameras
> are only minor updates of the cameras that introduced the 10MP CMOS
> sensor from Panasonic, but they're still listed as current models in
> many countries on the Olympus global website.

Discontinued as of October 2011, wow, three quarters of a year ago.
Ancient history, eh? Whether distributors in other geographies have
out of date websites is irrelevant.

You can't say a four year old sensor is obsolete then say that a known
discontinued product is current without contradicting yourself.

> No, I'm aware of their history in the segment.  And I'm aware that
> they sourced the core of these cameras, chassis, reflex assemblies,
> shutters, viewfinders &s. from Olympus.  They put on the outer shells,
> installed their own processors and image engines, and fitted their own
> lenses.

Not quite, but splitting hairs is a waste of time.

> What I found worth mention was that Panasonic only used the 10MP
> sensor in a single model of their own.  Just one year later their next
> 4/3 camera had the new 12.3MP sensor.  It was as if they couldn't move
> on quickly enough.  So should have Olympus.

The L10 was under development and hit the market while the G1 and GH1
were reaching first working prototype stages, likely with the older
sensor in them. Olympus has their own development schedules, etc.

>> An E-5 is MSRP at $1699 and currently sells for $1499. A Pentax K5
>> sells for $1199 including a $300 discount at B&H. If a school lunch
>> costs $2, your son will need to miss 150 of them so you can shoot with
>> an Olympus E-5.
>
> Both of those cameras are considerably more expensive in Australia.
> Our dollar may have surpassed the greenback, but our buying power is
> still much lower than U.S.A.'s.

I can't help that. Buy them from New York then.

>> Since the manufacturers and marketeers are the ones who incited the
>> dual obsessions of megapixels and sensitivity, they have to deal with
>> what they've created.
>>
>> I could care less ... I make photographs with the equipment I evaluate
>> to suit my purposes and don't worry about what manufacturers or
>> salesmen worry about.
>>
>
> Speed, grain and sharpness were ever the selling points of films.  Now
> it's sensitivity, noise and pixel count of cameras.  What's different?

I don't know about you, but I never bought ASA 800 film because I
thought it would be grainless. I bought it so I could make photographs
in low light.

> Some customers want the best and never mind the cost.  Some want the
> cheapest and never mind the quality.  I want good value for money.
> When I hand over my hard-earned to a company I've also bought the
> right to judge their performance.

Go ahead, judge all you want. I'll express my opinions too.

>> "... Equipment often gets in the way of Photography. ..."
>
> I've seen very few photographs taken without equipment.
> On second thought, make that none.

That doesn't mean it doesn't often get in the way. Hmm. ... I guess
you've never seen or made a photogram.
-- 
Godfrey
  godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com

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