Hi,

comments interspersed:

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 Bob  

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Monday, March 04, 2002, 9:45:30 PM, you wrote:

> On Monday, March 4, 2002, at 03:25  PM, Bob Walkden wrote:

>> Although several people have claimed that I've misunderstood the
>> purpose of the marked aperture (and I've refuted those claims in other
>> replies), nobody has yet provided any justification for the programmed
>> version or shown why it is superior to having the optimum aperture
>> marked on the lens.

> Why is it superior to simply having the optimum aperture marked on the 
> lens?  Let me see... if you put the camera on automatic, and it picks 
> f16, and you know that f8 is much better for this lens, you would have 
> to switch from auto to manual or aperture priority and move to f8.  
> However, on aperture priority, you may fall into shutter speeds that are 
> not hand-holdable if you leave the camera on its optimal aperture.

On the Z1-P, which as far as I know is the only camera that has MTF
program, the switching is easily done in the Hyper Program mode. I'd
suggest that it's quicker to do it this way than to change from say
the H program to the MTF program. Changing means you have to hold down
the button in the centre of the Mode button and rotate the Av dial until
you find the program you want, which is a 2-hands operation. Since changing
the aperture size in Hyper Program only requires you to turn the Av dial,
and is a 1-hand operation, it follows that doing it that way is faster and
easier than changing program modes. Similarly on a camera like the LX
with a marked lens it's also a 1-hand job of turning the aperture
ring.

In the example you give (going from f16 to f8) if f8 is in the range
where shutter speeds are too slow, then so is f16. If we take the
reverse siutation where the program mode has chosen say f5.6 and you
know that f8 is MTF-wise better, then yes, this possibility does
arise, similarly in the case where going from f16 to f8 results in a
shutter speed that's too high. But again, on the Z1-P it's a simple
matter of turning the Av dial or more likely pressing the IF button. On
something like the LX with a marked lens it's just a matter of turning
the aperture ring in the correct direction.

> If you are going to use the camera on auto, this function is entirely 
> worthwhile.

Well, what I'm starting to think as I work my way through this, is
that if your normal setting is the MTF programme (and you are
therefore in Hyper Program mode), then there are advantages to this
method. But the advantages are only there because of the Hyper Program
mode which lets you control the shutter speed and diaphragm at no
additional cost (apart from remembering to press IF when done), and
only if you are normally in the MTF programme. Otherwise it seems to
be too complicated to switch between the different programmes, H, d
and M.

> Please remember, we are arguing about an auto exposure program, here.  
> If your argument is that auto exposure itself is pointless, that's a 
> different battle altogether.

That is not my argument.

> -Aaron
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