There have been plans like that for 50 years or more. There is a big difference between plans and actual implementation. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Steven Desjardins <[email protected]> wrote: > There are plans that eliminate fossil and nuclear: > > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-path-to-sustainable-energy-by-2030 > > Problems? Sure, but at the very least it would cut back dramatically > on fossil and nuclear. These guys aren't just some nut jobs; these > are some realistic projections about what we could do. And again, > even if it's 50% successful, we cut back on a lot of other methods. > More to the point, let me wave the flag a bit. The US is better > equipped than most countries to put this into action and give > ourselves true energy independence. This is probably our biggest > vulnerability and it is easily in our best interests to put this into > action. > > Of course, fusion is a great long term prospect, but it has proven so > difficult to devlop that it could still be another 25-75 years before > we get it. > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola <[email protected]> > wrote: >> We spend a lot here on alternatives. Ever hear of Solyndra? >> >> We spent a lot on development of wind turbines, but most proposals >> have been stalled by environmental concerns (bird deaths) and >> objections on aesthetic grounds. New Jersey is now proposing off >> shore wind turbines. >> >> Even in Hawaii, where the winds are very reliable, the large and very >> visible wind farms are able to produce only a small fraction of the >> electric generation. >> >> My county here in New Jersey has spent a lot of money over the past 5 >> years paying for solar panels on all county and municipal governmental >> buildings and all school buildings. Some of our largest local >> industrial concerns, like J&J, Roche and and Merck, have installed >> huge solar farms. It has actually helped the local budgets and taxes >> quite a bit, but it hasn't really made much of a dent in the total >> energy needs of the area. >> >> Unfortunately, it's fossil fuels or nukes. Name your poison. >> >> Dan Matyola >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Bob W <[email protected]> wrote: >>> None of those things are good, Dan. Electricity is great. Wouldn't it be >>> nice to try and get electricity without them? >>> >>> The status quo is something that we can change. We can make things better >>> for ourselves if we try, and if we put a bit of money and research into it. >>> It might not happen in our generation, but that's no reason to accept things >>> the way they are, or to believe everything that the vested interests tell >>> us. >>> >>> The celebrity physicist Brian Cox recently pointed out on the BBC that "the >>> UK has spent more on saving banks in a year than it has on science since >>> Jesus, and look what we did with that - we invented the industrial world". >>> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18736011> >>> >>> I have no doubt that the figures for the USA and the rest of the world are >>> similar. >>> >>> If we put just a little bit more of the money into researching alternatives >>> to the bad energy stuff, perhaps we could have electricity without, or with >>> significantly reduced, risk and actual environmental destruction. >>> >>> Here are some more cloud factories: >>> <http://www.web-options.com/Pick2007/content/_6025459_large.html> >>> >>> B >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>> Daniel J. Matyola >>>> Sent: 12 August 2012 18:55 >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers >>>> >>>> Frank, you don't like nuclear energy, you don't like coal, I'm sure you >>>> don't like frakking, or oil pipelines. I guess you don't like >>>> electricity either. >>>> Dan Matyola >>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:12 PM, [email protected] >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > Ah, well, my comment in the previous post about those things being >>>> "scary" was because I thought it was a nuclear plant. >>>> > >>>> > Not that coal is ideal but if one believes the current propaganda it >>>> can actually be quite clean these days. I think I'd prefer fossil fuel >>>> to nuclear. >>>> > >>>> > Cheers, >>>> > frank >>>> > >>>> > "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." >>>> > -- Christopher Hitchens >>>> > >>>> > --- Original Message --- >>>> > >>>> > From: Steven Desjardins <[email protected]> >>>> > Sent: August 11, 2012 8/11/12 >>>> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> >>>> > Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers >>>> > >>>> > Nope. Fall River, Mass. That's a coal-fired power plant. The hot >>>> > water they were releasing into the river was harming the fish, so >>>> they >>>> > built cooling towers like aNuclear plant. It's essentially a >>>> > self-contained system. As funny as it is, those towers make the >>>> plant >>>> > a bit more green. >>>> > >>>> > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Walter Hamler >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> Is that Three Mile Is, PA ? >>>> >> >>>> >> Walt >>>> >> >>>> >> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Steven Desjardins >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>> I went to my hometown last week to visit my family. I hadn't been >>>> >>> home in about 4 years, and I while walking through the park I got a >>>> >>> good view of some new construction: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/i-bmxVGWm/0/XL/towers- >>>> XL >>>> >>> .jpg >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I'm about 3 miles away. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Steve Desjardins >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> >>> [email protected] >>>> >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>>> and follow the directions. >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> >> [email protected] >>>> >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>>> and follow the directions. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Steve Desjardins >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>>> and follow the directions. >>>> > -- >>>> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>>> and follow the directions. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Steve Desjardins > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
