Appreciated, Ann. I also save in Gray Scale.  
A calibration thing I suppose.(?) Am using Epson Ultra Premium Luster.
I may ask my wife if I'm allowed to buy a B&W dedicated EPSON R3000. :-(

Jack

----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Sanfedele <[email protected]>
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]>
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Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Printing B&W

When I do Black and white on the Epson v500 I have made a file that is 
in _saved in grayscale_... seems to me that problems with color cast 
I've had were a combination of the type of paper I was printing on and 
the profile.

get absolutely black and white prints if I print on epson matte paper.
I think I did pretty well with the high gloss Ilford that is akin to the
nice metallic paper

hi guys :-)

ann - just hopped in for a few mins


On 4/1/2013 21:28, Jack Davis wrote:
> Thanks again, Paul.
>
> Jack
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Stenquist <[email protected]>
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]>
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> Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Printing B&W
>
> I used to be able to get decent BW prints with an Epson 1200, which doesn't 
> have multiple blacks. It's much easier with one of the newer multi-black 
> printers like the 3000 or the 2880, but you should be able to get acceptable 
> BW results with the 1800.
>
> You don't need or want access to the color controls in the printing 
> program.Turn off all color controls and adjust color in PhotoShop. Select 
> "let photoshop control colors" in your printing setup box. Use the Epson icc 
> profile for the premium luster paper. It's very accurate. Render your photo 
> as a grayscale image in PhotoShop, then convert it to whatever your PhotoShop 
> color space is set to. Prophoto RGB or Adobe 98 RGB for example.  If your 
> monitor calibration is accurate, the image in an RGB odor space should remain 
> BW with no color tint. Then print with photoshop controlling the color. You 
> may get a slight color case, but you should be pretty close to pure BW.
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Jack Davis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Paul. When I chose "Photoshop controls color" I no longer have 
>> access to color controls in the printing program. I'm absolutely satisfied 
>> that the image to be printed is B&W.
>> I have a pro editor acquaintance to question on such things and he says he 
>> does two things when it comes to printing B&W. 1) Clean printer heads. 2) 
>> Turn off all color controls. This person is now retired and working out of 
>> his home. I understand he makes house calls. I have his business card and am 
>> about ready to give him a call.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Paul Stenquist <[email protected]>
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]>
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 3:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: Printing B&W
>>
>> Good results are very difficult to achieve when the printer controls the 
>> color. Change your setup to Photoshop controls color and turn off all 
>> printer color control. You can find instructions for printing workflow 
>> management on the web.
>>
>> Paul
>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Jack Davis <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>             I'm done wasting photo paper...for the moment. I estimate 
>>>having sacrificed about 20 sheets of A3 Ultra Premium Luster in the last 36 
>>>hours. Would have been more, but I've been interrupted a few times with 
>>>meals, toilet and accompanying my wife in her travels to uninteresting 
>>>places.
>>>             I have proof of past B&W successes which only serves to make me 
>>>doubt myself rather than the printer. The printer is an Epson Stylus PHOTO 
>>>R1800 (remember those?) which I bought new about a dozen years ago.
>>>             The only "calibrating" I've ever done to the system is a fairly 
>>>regular session with Huey whenever I begin to see ghostly shadows bordering 
>>>images.
>>>             I've given control to the printer and then turned down the 
>>>available colors (only includes magenta, yellow and cyan) to a limit of 
>>>minus 25. Get a grape blue. If I select "no color control" or "photoshop 
>>>elements manages color" it's a shade of magenta.
>>> I don't do a lot of printing any more, but seems it's a B&W when I do. 
>>> Color hasn't been a problem.
>>> I've made several trips to my favorite lab in Sacramento in recent years, 
>>> always to get a B&W done that I'm pressed to supply. I, also, do that when 
>>> I need a print larger than 13"x 19."
>>>             I've figured out that a new printer would solve my problem, but 
>>>I'd likely not be around long enough to use it up.
>>>             If you're familiar with the printer and have any thoughts that 
>>>may help, please pass them along.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
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