Interspersed...
On 4/6/2013 7:26 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Voucher systems provide education financing but allow parents to make
their own choice. The selections are generally many and no one is
compelled to attend a religious institution. Thus, they don't really
fit the definition of a public school.
I have no problem with parents choosing to send their children to
private or religious schools - *Choosing* being the operative word. My
point is that they have the option of attending a public school and if
they choose a private school they know there is an obligation to pay
tuition. The taxpayers do not/should not have an obligation to
subsidize them.
Wisconsin is one of only a few states that allow vouchers to be used
in religious schools. The Wisconsin Supreme Court okayed that in
1998, but it's expected that the U.S. Supreme Court will eventually
rule on it. I suspect they will affirm the state court's decision, in
that federal student loans have always been available at religiously
affiliated universities. That doesn't make those universities "public
schools."
Apples and oranges...vouchers are paid directly to the school as state
aid with no requirement for any reimbursement - a gift from the
taxpayers. Student loans are just that...loans that the student can use
for tuition as well as other educational items and that come with a
payback obligation on the part of the student.
In regard to traditional public schools being better than or equal to
charter schools that's largely a myth perpetrated by teacher unions
-- of which I was once a member. In Detroit, the charter schools and
religious schools far outperform the public schools. Nationally, the
margin is thinner, but overall, the charter schools have an edge.
That's not to say that there aren't bad charters. There are. But the
competition of the marketplace eventually weeds them out. Public
schools don't have to compete. That's part of the problem.
Paul On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Paul Sorenson <[email protected]>
wrote:
It depends on your definition of a "Public School". If it's a
school offered/run by a public entity, then I'd agree that thy are
non-denominational. However, the big push in Wisconsin by both a
Republican governor and a Republican legislature is for so-called
"voucher schools" whereby private and religious schools are
partially funded by taxpayer money.
The argument for that is "they provide a better education than the
public schools". Unfortunately, the research shows that they don't
perform any better and in some cases don't provide as good an
education.
I don't know if that meets the definition of separation of church
and state, but it sure as hell is not non-denominational.
-p
On 4/6/2013 6:32 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I've never seen a United States public school that has religious
affiliation. I would think it would be unconstitutional.
Paul On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Stan Halpin
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
All U.S. public schools are non-demominational.
Paul via phone
Except in parts of the South and Midwest.
stan
On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Bob W <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 6 Apr 2013, at 16:01, Ann Sanfedele <[email protected]>
wrote:
In an effort to inject a bit of levity into this
discussion..
On 4/6/2013 10:12, Bipin Gupta wrote:
... I am a Hindu, but went to a Roman Catholic Boarding
Public School, so I fully understand Western Values.
...
What's wrong with this sentence?
Spurious logic.
B
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