Please don't lecture me about Unix or it's history. You tout Unix as an example of a utopian set of programs that are simple and good design, then go on to say that they suffer from the exact same thing you don't like about cameras.
I'm curious why you put so much stock into what reviewers are saying, Does the product work for you? Are the video options actively hindering you taking pictures? If not, what's the big deal? On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:15 PM, P.J. Alling <[email protected]> wrote: > You obviously know little about the history of UNIX. Feature creep infected > it early, but it doesn't change the original concept, and some versions > remained true to that concept for a long time, not BSD unfortunately. It > also doesn't change my point, though maybe it proves it. If I wanted to > make movies I'd get camera designed for it. > > It's really nice that my, fill in the blank, DSLR, MILC, P&S, whatever, can > make pretty decent movies, but that's not why I bought it. Don't obscure > the still photo abilities of a in this case this case DSLR to do something > it's not designed to do. As I think I mentioned, a lot of reviewers were > upset that the K-5 was kind of clunky at getting into video mode, and Ricoh, > listened. But is that really a good thing for still photographers? > > > On 10/28/2013 10:14 AM, David Parsons wrote: >> >> I really don't think you should be looking to the Unix world for >> simplicity and design cues. >> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM, P.J. Alling <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> It's not the simplicity itself that's at issue. It's the original UNIX >>> creed, programs that do one thing well. >>> >>> I want a still camera that does still photography well, that's >>> ergonomically >>> suited to it. Something that takes good quality photographs printable up >>> to >>> a certain size. I don't care if the camera makes movies, really good >>> movies >>> require seeing in ways that I just don't see. Really good movies, unless >>> they're good due to compelling subject matter, require planning that even >>> Ansel Adams didn't need to do. As a still photographer, using what used >>> to >>> be called a minicam, >>> >>> I want a Camera that doesn't get in my way, but has all the necessary >>> controls readily available to take still pictures. That should be control >>> over the three parts parts of exposure, ISO, Aperture, Shutter Speed. >>> Control over the meter with selectable spot averaging and the program. >>> The >>> ability to turn the anti shake system on or off quickly, as conditions >>> warrant. In auto focus modes the ability to choose focus points quickly. >>> >>> I shoot raw so it's not quite so important that I change color balance >>> quickly though it does help get good exposures. So that shouldn't be >>> buried >>> to deeply in a menu either. >>> >>> For tripod work getting into a true mirror lockup would be nice too. >>> >>> On the K20D Pentax got almost all of those things right. All the >>> shooting >>> controls are right there. Shutter and Aperture are controlled by two >>> wheels, ISO press the OK button and turn the front wheel. Metering >>> pattern >>> is right there under the mode dial. SR a switch on the back of the >>> camera. >>> White balance on the quick menu. Change a focus point, in shooting mode >>> right there on the four way controller. >>> >>> The only thing you need to take your cameras from your eye for is white >>> balance. >>> >>> Tho only real deficiency is mirror lockup for tripod work. >>> >>> We can discuss the cameras deficiencies as a photographic tool at length, >>> it >>> has many and can be extremely frustrating, but it's control layout for >>> the >>> still photographer is better than almost any other camera I've had a >>> chance >>> to play with, (I say almost because I only got to handle a Nikon D3 for a >>> very short period of time so that might be better), though I still liked >>> the >>> quick white balance setup on the *ist-D. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/27/2013 9:25 PM, David Parsons wrote: >>> >>>> He should just use a film camera if he's that worried about simplicity >>>> and video creep. >>>> >>>> I can say that I've never accidentally turned on video on any camera I >>>> own. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 8:39 PM, P.J. Alling >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ruminating on the K-3 and the various reviews of the K-5 family of >>>>> cameras >>>>> where the reviewer took off points for clunky ways to get into video >>>>> mode, >>>>> (this was especially true of DPReview IIRC), I found myself wanting to >>>>> scream in the guy's face. "What is it about it being primarily a >>>>> "Still" >>>>> camera that you don't get?" This little article from Luminous >>>>> Landscape >>>>> makes covers most of my arguments, without the Pending assault charges, >>>>> though I think his plea for simplicity of control might go a bit too >>>>> far >>>>> in >>>>> the other direction, and having a third dial dedicated entirely to >>>>> ISO... >>>>> Pushing a button and turning one of the e-dials isn't all that onerous >>>>> as >>>>> long as the button is in a convenient location. >>>>> >>>>> NO Pentax content in the essay but hell half of us don't use Pentax as >>>>> our >>>>> primary camera system anymore anyway. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/an_appeal_for_divergence_and_simplicity.shtml >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the >>>>> crazy, crazier. >>>>> >>>>> - H.L.Mencken >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>> follow the directions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the >>> crazy, crazier. >>> >>> - H.L.Mencken >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> > > > -- > A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the > crazy, crazier. > > - H.L.Mencken > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
