I agree with that key part statement, Paul.  

Alas, when I had a printer, there just wasn't time; and what time I had I spent 
replacing inks and cleaning print heads and trying to get the damned thing 
working again.

So I found a printer that starts with the Adobe 98 color space, and asks that I 
include the profile, and in a week I get back beautiful prints that are closer 
than I could ever get to what I see on my monitor.

YMMV, as usual.

Cheers,

Rick

On Nov 8, 2013, at 20:27 , Paul Stenquist wrote:

> More important, on a personal level, is printings role as a key part of the 
> process. I've been printing my own work for more than 50 years. I find it 
> very fulfilling: It's the culmination, the conclusion, the final step in 
> creating the image.
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2013, at 8:19 PM, "Bob W" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> That is so, and that is what soft-proofing is for, but it depends on your
>> eye. My eyes are colour-blind, so I do my best not to rely on them. Luckily
>> I live in London, where there are labs who can match profiles accurately (as
>> far as I can tell). 
>> 
>> B 
>> 
>> 
>>> From: PDML [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist
>>> 
>>> That's theoretically possible, but very few labs are capable 
>>> of accurate profile matching. And doing it yourself allows 
>>> for more fine tuning. Reflective art is never an exact match 
>>> of an electronic display image.
>>> 
>>> Paul via phone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 8, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Bob W <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, the theory is that a colour-managed workflow on both
>>> sides gives you that control. 
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9 Nov 2013, at 00:30, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regardless of the ink cost (I get my Epson ink at a
>>> discount from Atlex.com) I prefer printing my own due to the 
>>> control I have. I'd never use any of the Walmarts/Costcos for 
>>> my printing source and there just aren't any really good 
>>> local shops that I'm aware of.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kenneth Waller
>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob W" <[email protected]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Printer Recommendation
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I got rid of my printers because I never used them and
>>> space is at a premium in a small house like mine. If I need 
>>> to print text I do it at work. If I wanted to print photos 
>>> regularly I'd investigate the long-term costs of having to 
>>> buy ink versus printing at a lab.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> B
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8 Nov 2013, at 01:19, Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've found that the ink for all printers is pretty cheap
>>> as long as you don't print anything.   I didn't see any 
>>> mention of actually printing, so you could be pretty safe 
>>> recommending just about anything.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sent from Sony Tablet S
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Steve Cottrell <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Had a request from the boy.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Verbatim:
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>> Your task for the evening (should you choose to accept
>>> it (which 
>>>>>>>> you should(upon death if you dont))):
>>>>>>>> need a printer that is semi-good, cheap and reliable and 
>>>>>>>> affordable ink.
>>>>>>>> Preferably comes with scanner. You have 24 hours to comply.
>>>>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hmm a printer that is 'semi-good' whatever that means. Cheap - 
>>>>>>>> well plenty of cheap printers about, we all know they make the 
>>>>>>>> money on the inks. Reliable?? Most printers do a fair job. 
>>>>>>>> Affordable ink? Well, not the manufacturers ink then.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I use an Epson P50 with Hornsea inks
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <http://www.hornseaink.com/>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> and touch wood, not had a problem with these inks since started 
>>>>>>>> using them about a year ago.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Strange, I paid £130 for the P50, now they are retailing for 
>>>>>>>> closer to £200 !
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Anyway, anyone ? Recommendations based on above please :-)
>>>> 
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