Tue Apr 8 19:16:34 EDT 2014 Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Igor Roshchin <str at komkon.org> wrote: > > > Just in case: > > If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from > > your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change > > described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you. > > > > It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers > > OTHER than those from Yahoo. > > > > (The second link's post explains how to fix the problem: > > "Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're > > using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem > > without you having to really make any change." ) > > The Yahoo change does affect him, in the sense that his emails to the > PDML will be marked as spam for those of us who receive them on Gmail > and certain other providers. > > John uses Yahoo's SMTP servers to send mail to the PDML. The PDML mail > server sends John's mail (with a Yahoo "From" address) to my Gmail > account (and everyone else on the list). Gmail sees the mail with > John's Yahoo "From" address, but it didn't come from Yahoo's SMTP > server--it came from the PDML mail server. Gmail, as requested by > Yahoo's DMARC records, marks that message as spam. > > Basically, people with Yahoo addresses can't participate effectively > on mailing lists anymore. >
Yep, you are right. Mea culpa! I forgot that Doug's list software doesn't rewrite the headers. (I am subcribed to the Digest version and, most of the time, I read the messages via the web-interface.) Presumably, if Doug upgrades Mailman from version 2.1.15 to 2.1.16, he would be able to configure it so that the messages would appear as coming from the list, not from the original author. I don't know, however, if that is the desired behavior, as it may break filters (will require to reconfigure them) for some people. But I should mention that I understand the reason why Yahoo made that change: the spam e-mails pretending being from Yahoo accounts have been a huge problem recently. The problem stems from the design of the e-mail system: it was done more than 30 years ago (RFC 822), in and for a very different environment. And that is the reason why it is prone to spam and other problems that pop-up like the one with Yahoo. The solution to all this mess is to overhaul the entire e-mail system how it is designed, and to create a totally new paradigm of messaging. How? If I knew, I would've been the next [Bill Gates, Sergey Brin, ...]. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
