How about "Briggs" instead of "Fisher?" J
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Waller" <[email protected]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 1:33:56 PM Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off. 'Body by Fisher' was always associated with General Motors cars in my experience. > Now, do you have some idea of how long I've existed? At least as long as me! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Davis" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off. > As I was growing up, actually not that far up, the mantra for all Chrysler > products was they have a "Body by Fisher." > That always resulted in head nodding and general agreement that was enough > to recommend them. Them being, Plymouth, Dodge, > DeSoto and Chrysler. > Someone always had to add: "ya know, Fisher used to make fine buggy > bodies." > Now, do you have some idea of how long I've existed? > > Jack > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Waller" <[email protected]> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:43:48 PM > Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off. > > In my circles Chrysler has been known for many engineering break-throughs > most of which fell short in the execution. > >> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-) >> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum. > > And here I thought the supposed topic of this forum was Pentax ! > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Colen" <[email protected]> > Subject: Fwd: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off. > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off. >> Date: April 27, 2014 at 1:52:14 PM PDT >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> >> Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler was always a failure. Even worse >> crap >> than GM. I'm glad the Italians control them now. > > MOPAR has made some winners and some losers. At 200,000 miles, many of > which spent towing, my van is starting to show it’s age, but I bet it’ll > still do a better job of towing your Mercedes than your Mercedes will do > towing it. As to performance, it has probably turned a faster lap time at > Thunderhill than your Mercedes ever has as well. With 360 God fearing all > American cubic inches the mileage isn’t the best, but if I put in all of > the > seats and didn’t drive with a lead foot, I could probably get upwards of > 130 > passenger miles per gallon. > > Yeah, my tongue spent a bit of time in my cheek in the above paragraph, > but > every car company has strengths and weaknesses. I’m glad that you like > your > car, that’s all that matters for you. The only car Mercedes has made in > recent memory that has held any appeal to me is the Smart, but I’m not > into > luxobarges. On the other hand Chrysler made the Viper GTS, and until you’ve > had eight liters of V10 pass you on the track at full song you simply > cannot > comprehend the concept of priapism in a can. > > Everyone in the automotive industry that I’ve heard or read has pretty > much > said what Paul did. Daimler came in, raped over Chrysler. When there > seems > to be a consensus among people who know more about the automotive industry > than you do about Apple computers, I suspect that there might be something > to what they say. I might not ask Paul for advice on which iPad to buy, > but > considering that he’s worked for both of the auto companies under > discussion, I have a hunch that he’s not just blowing smoke out of his > ass. > >> >> And Audi is a brand-engineered VW. > > And Porsches are nothing but VWs with a hormone imbalance, or as I’ve > heard > them described “A really bad idea that has been meticulously perfected”. > Even so, you might want to chat with John Buffum about Audis deficiencies. > >> >> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-) >> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum. > > I don’t think anyone has serious complaints with Leicas, just their prices > and some of the people who own them. > > :-) > >> >> Godfrey >> >> >>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Oh my! You do invent your own reality, don’t your? I was there when >>> Daimler and Chrysler “merged," working on the Chrysler ad biz, so I’ll >>> educate you. Chrysler never owend" Daimler. Eaton and the rest of >>> Chrysler mangement sold out to Daimler for a huge amount of cash. >>> Daimller was calling all the shots. Hell, they sent Dieter Zetsche, who >>> is now Daimler CEO, here to run the Chrylser group. (Zetsche was a nice >>> guy. We had a good time at Daytona when Dodge premiered in NASCAR, but >>> his loyalty was definitely to the motherland.) At the time, Mercedes was >>> not doing well, but Chrysler had 9 billion dollars in the bank. Daimler >>> emptied Chrysler’s piggy bank in a matter of years, then left town, >>> leaving a broke and decimated Chrylser behind. Cerebus dragged the >>> carcass around for a few years, then Marchione came to town and saved >>> Chrysler. Unlike Daimler, Marchione really means it. He wants Chrylser >>> to >>> succeed. And they are. >>> >>> I worked on the Mercede-Benz ad biz as well at McCaffrey & McCall in the >>> 1980s. (My commercial, “Interview” iis still considered the best >>> Mercedes >>> spot of all time and it won the Gold Clio for best automotive spot of >>> 1990.) Mercedes was on a roll when I wrote that commercial, but withing >>> months Lexus and Infiniti came on the scene, and Daimler panicked. They >>> told me they could no longer be “Emgineered Like No Other Car In the >>> World.” It was too arrogant. And they took a lot of content out of the >>> cars so they could match the prices of the Japanese cars. I bailed and >>> went to Detroit, and Mercedes quality declined. But the Germans are >>> smart >>> and they have a huge pool of engineering talent to draw on. Mercedes has >>> made gains in recent years, but they never quite recovred. In many ways, >>> they still trail BMW and Audi. And of course it’s heresy in the PC >>> world, >>> but Cadillac is producing better products than Mercedes for some >>> segments — the ATS vs. the C-Class and the CTS vs. the E-class. Mercedes >>> has a future, but they’re not the world leader they were in the 1980s. >>> >>> Here’s “Interview,” if you’d like to see it: >>> http://stenquist.org/Paul/MercedesEngineer.htm >>>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Plenty of them around here. But their quality did suffer a bit through >>>> the years of Chrysler ownership. They were sensible to get rid of >>>> Chrysler, even at a loss. >>>> >>>> G >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Not many ten year old Mercs though. Intimately familiar with that >>>>> company. 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