I doubt anything Mark could say would have any impact if he is skipping 25% of classes and 50% of tests, and got 37% for a final grade.
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Igor Roshchin <[email protected]> wrote: > Thu May 15 13:32:36 EDT 2014 > Mark Roberts wrote: > >> P.J. Alling wrote: >> >> >It's derivative, at best, but since the student has already failed, why >> >keep beating that dead horse. >> >> Exactly. I've forwarded everything to my department chair. He and I >> have elected not to pursue the matter any further. We'd have to get >> the Dean involved and go through all kinds of hassle. Too much work >> for nothing at this point. > > > Mark, > > Of course, it is your choice of how much of your time and energy you are > willing to invest in this. I just would like to bring to your > consideration an important (for the students' development) issue here. > I think it is very important that the student is aware that > 1) it is not OK to repeat somebody's design without acknowledging that, and > 2) he was caught doing this. > > For the first, it is possible that the student might not really > see the problem in basing his/her design on somebody's else. > (And there are also cultural differences of acceptance for students > coming from different countries. -- I don't know if you deal with any > international students.) > Second thing, if the student knows it was unacceptable but did it, > the fact that he wasn't caught might be encouraging for the future > similar attempts. Thus, it is best for the student (and the society) if > the student is warned at the early stages and is informed about > the possible consequences. > > Even if you are not going to follow the formal procedure, I'd consider > telling him that it is inappropriate and that in this case he will get > out easily, but it wouldn't be tolerated in the future. > > > My colleagues and I have dealt with a bunch of cases of plagiarism that > in essence similar to this, and I am convinced that there are two types > of cases: > 1. In some patalogical cases, a simple warning doesn't do much. > Hence, things must be documented, even if no strong measures of > panishments are used, so that the subsequent violations would be > repeat violations and as such are subject to stronger measures (up > to expulsion). > > One of my colleagues had a case where the first serious fact of > plagiarism of a student was not documented, and then when a different > faculty found that the thesis (graduate level!) was plagiarized, > since it was the "1st offense", serious measures couldn't be used. > > > 2. In other cases, even a well delivered warning is a good enough > message so that the student realizes the seriousness of the misconduct > in a full perspective, and it is not an issue in the future. > > > Best, > > Igor > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
