Well said, Frank! J Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 23, 2015, at 8:11 PM, Knarf <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is NOT about political correctness, Paul. I know those are among the > biggest swear-words in your vocabulary, so anything that you strongly > disagree with has to do with "political correctness". > > I really don't give a flying F about the story or the stageplay or the movie. > On the face of them, these photos objectify and demean women. They portray > women in a sexual way that men are not generally portrayed. > > That's why they are sexist. Why is that so difficult to understand? If men > dressed and posed this way it would look ridiculous. Yet when women do it, > it's okay? > > I will reiterate yet again: This is NOT about nudity. This is not about skin. > > This is about a sexual depiction of a woman in a way that a man would never > be depicted. > > As for Renoir and Michelangelo, their depictions of female nudes were neither > suggestive nor sexual. And in the case of Michelangelo, he also did male > nudes (hello: David?) so at least there was some balance. > > There is, quite frankly, no comparison between the female nude in Western art > and Bruce's Cabaret photos. > > I'm not calling for the banning of anything, I'm not calling for censorship. > I'm asking that we try to understand why depictions like the Cabaret series > can be harmful to an identifiable group (in this case, women) and govern > ouselves accordingly. > > Here's a question to honestly ask yourself: How would you feel if it was your > daughter or grand daughter in those photos? Would you be okay with that? > Wouldn't make you feel uncomfortable in the least? Really? > > I know how I'd feel. And that's why I know that this is not something I feel > right about. > > Cheers, > > frank > >> On 23 August, 2015 10:37:44 PM EDT, paul stenquist <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> I’m hesitant to address this, but I’m also confused, so I think I’ll >> speak up. These photos are a very accurate depiction of Cabaret, they >> capture the essence of the story, as produced both in the theater and >> on film Are they exploitative merely because they are mildly erotic, as >> was the original? And if these photos are exploitative does that mean >> Renoir and Michelangelo and countless other artists who depicted the >> female form are somehow violating some kind of arbitrary moral standard >> as well? I think that if we were to agree that is the case, it would be >> a sad commentary on the human condition. Eroticism banned. A new >> Puritan age. A banal existence, mandated by political correctness. >> >> Paul >>> On Aug 23, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Knarf <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Nah, not riled up. Just not happy about the subject matter (I don't >> mean Dorrie, of course, I mean what I see as the exploitative way she's >> portrayed). >>> >>> But I've said my piece on that score. I'll simply not comment on >> these types of photos, except maybe every couple of months or so, as a >> "these are demeaning to women" reminder. >>> >>> Bruce knows I think he's a wonderful photographer, both technically >> and artistically, and I'm sure he understands that my lack of comment >> is not a lack of opinion on his work. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> frank >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> frank >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Daniel J. Matyola >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Now you have really done it! This will certainly get Knarf all >> riled >>>> up . . . . >>>> >>>> Very well done indeed. My only negative is the pasties. They are >> not >>>> attractive or tasteful, and they actually give a greater feeling of >>>> exploitation, rather than less. >>>> Dan Matyola >>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Bruce Walker >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> A creative project that my designer and I worked on over 8 weeks, >> then >>>>> 6 hours shooting, and a month waiting for the publication embargo >> to >>>>> end ... has finally been published. >>>>> >>>>> http://nifmagazine.com/cabaret-by-bruce-walker/ >>>>> >>>>> An image from it will also appear in the UK print magazine Femme >>>>> Rebelle in September. >>>>> >>>>> All images: K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 >>>>> Lighting is from three Einsteins with an assortment of mods and >>>>> shtuff. My lighting design. >>>>> >>>>> Model: Dorrie Mack >>>>> Makeup and hair: Coral Brandenburg >>>>> Designer and stylist: Eva Mocek/GearPunk’D >>>>> Assistant: Anique Alletson >>>>> Photographer and Artistic Director: Bruce Walker >>>>> >>>>> GearPunk’D (Eva) custom made a gold jacket, punk-influenced >> long-line >>>>> corset and matching choker, shorts and pasties for Dorrie. >>>>> >>>>> Comments will be warmly embraced! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -bmw >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> and follow the directions. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> and follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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