Hi Frank; at least hear me out before you bow out. Don't worry, I'm not going to get huffy, and I'm not offended by anything that has been said. I want to remark on a couple of things you said; and a question you asked.
You said: "There is, quite frankly, no comparison between the female nude in Western art and Bruce's Cabaret photos." I believe that you are basing this on the standard view of Western art nudes as draped in diaphanous wisps of material, and politely and demurely turning their faces away from the viewer. You are completely ignoring or ignorant of everything that has taken place since Édouard Manet's "Olympia" (1863), and Gustave Courbet's "L'Origine du monde" (1866). Nudes in Western art are prostitutes gazing back at us, are powerful women, are erotic. You really must read this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/16/famous-erotic-art_n_4598450.html You also asked: "And I again ask (rhetorically) who would feel good about a daughter or (at our age) a grand daughter posing for something like that. I don't believe that many would honestly answer that they'd be okay with that." My model in Cabaret is Dorrie Mackintosh. She has two very proud parents, both of them very supportive and encouraging of her career choice. She's also 26 years old and doesn't have to answer to anyone. If I had a daughter of the age of majority who had posed for a photographer shooting something like this, I'd be proud of her too. I also want to point out that among my influences and role models are folks like Sam Haskins (Cowboy Kate), Jeanloup Sieff and Ellen von Unwerth. If you believe that these folks aren't artists and that their work is exploitative and harmful to women, then I'm afraid we'll just have to remain on our two sides of the argument with an enormous unbridgeable gulf between us. On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 3:23 AM, Knarf <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Dan. > > I said earlier that I'd keep my thoughts to myself, having already expressed > them several times but I couldn't resist engaging with Paul. > > My bad. > > What I do want to say is that I'm not censoring or telling anyone what to > post, I'm merely expressing my displeasure for what's been posted. > > And I again ask (rhetorically) who would feel good about a daughter or (at > our age) a grand daughter posing for something like that. I don't believe > that many would honestly answer that they'd be okay with that. > > And one more time I say, I'm done with this topic. I've made my opinions > clear, more discussion runs the risk of becoming acrimonious. > > Cheers, > > frank > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Bruce Walker >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> A creative project that my designer and I worked on over 8 >>weeks, >>>>> then >>>>>>>> 6 hours shooting, and a month waiting for the publication >>embargo >>>>> to >>>>>>>> end ... has finally been published. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://nifmagazine.com/cabaret-by-bruce-walker/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> An image from it will also appear in the UK print magazine Femme >>>>>>>> Rebelle in September. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All images: K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 >>>>>>>> Lighting is from three Einsteins with an assortment of mods and >>>>>>>> shtuff. My lighting design. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Model: Dorrie Mack >>>>>>>> Makeup and hair: Coral Brandenburg >>>>>>>> Designer and stylist: Eva Mocek/GearPunk’D >>>>>>>> Assistant: Anique Alletson >>>>>>>> Photographer and Artistic Director: Bruce Walker >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> GearPunk’D (Eva) custom made a gold jacket, punk-influenced >>>>> long-line >>>>>>>> corset and matching choker, shorts and pasties for Dorrie. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Comments will be warmly embraced! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> -bmw -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
