Okay, Hitler was a good guy. . Nighty, night, Frank. Paul via phone
> On Nov 15, 2015, at 7:18 PM, knarf <[email protected]> wrote: > > Germany was not intent on world domination. Hitler wanted a > "Grossdeutschland", a sort of Super Germany which would include all the > ethnic Germans in Europe, plus "Lebensraum" - living space, essentially > buffer states much like the USSRs East European satellite states post WWII. > He wanted to defeat Russia, more to eradicate communism that actually take > over Russia. He'd have never fought the Battle of Britain had Britain not > opposed Germany's eastern expansion. > > This was not world domination. He wanted Eastern Europe. > > Japan wanted to be treated as an equal by Britain and the US. That included > the ability to deal with "it's part of the world" (Manchuria, China, the > Pacific islands) the same way the US treated the Americas and Britain treated > their Empire. > > Again, domination of their part of the world, not world domination. > > I'm rather taken aback that you would say that taking these rather orthodox > historical views is anything like Holocaust denial. > > As far as ISIS, I'm not saying they shouldn't be stopped and I'm not saying > they aren't evil. What I'm saying is that what we're doing now will guarantee > a continuation of similar attacks to what we saw on Friday - or worse. > > Cheers, > > frank > >> On November 15, 2015 6:17:43 PM EST, John <[email protected]> wrote: >> Their stated objective is to restore the Caliphate to their ideal of >> its >> maximum extent in the 7th & 8th centuries. >> >> That includes all of the Iberian Peninsula,; Septimania; Aquitaine, >> Midi-Pyrenees & Poitou-Charentes - as far north as Poitiers; the >> Balkans >> to the Gates of Vienna; all of northern Africa including Kenya, >> Tanzania, Mozambique, South Sudan, Chad, Central African Republic, >> Cameroon, Nigeria, Niger, Mali, Mauritania and the various states along >> the Gulf of Guinea & western Africa; Pakistan, Afghanistan & most of >> India & Sri Lanka; Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines. >> >> If that's not "World Domination", it's still close enough for >> government >> work. >> >> Whether or not they can actually accomplish all that is questionable, >> but they certainly have no qualms about murdering innocent civilians >> anywhere in order to advance those claims. And they have no qualms >> about >> killing all the Jews, whether in Israel or otherwise. >> >> There's plenty of room for debate on the best way fight Islamic >> Extremism without driving moderate Muslims into the arms of ISIS/ISIL. >> There's a difference between Islam and Islamic Extremism. But, I'm >> afraid that as things stand right now, Muslims who are not Islamic >> Extremists are not yet doing enough to combat the extremists hiding in >> their midst. >> >> Recognizing that ISIS/ISIL are a threat and are intent on conquest, >> spreading their interpretation of religion by the sword & the gun is >> not >> anti-Islamic fervor. >> >> And the claim that Germany and Japan were not seeking "World >> Domination" >> in WWII is just willfully ignorant. It's right up there with Holocaust >> Denial. >> >> >>> On 11/15/2015 1:02 PM, knarf wrote: >>> ISIS or ISIL or whatever they're called have no plans to "dominate >>> the world". At least no realistic plans that need be taken >>> seriously. >>> >>> It's unlikely they want to expand the Caliphate outside the Middle >>> East and possibly North Africa. >>> >>> That map of their "5 year plan" that circulated several months ago >>> in right-wing media outlets and social media is very likely a fraud >>> or someone's pipe dream. I wouldn't be suprised if it were concocted >>> to fan the flames of anti-islamic fervor, much like the Articles of >>> the Elders of Zion in the late 19th century. >>> >>> "World Domination" is attributed to enemies all the time - it >>> happened to Germany and Japan in WWII and neither had such designs. >>> But it's a great propaganda tool to whip up local sentiment. >>> >>> Anyway, the point of this, and my last post, isn't to point fingers >>> or blame anyone. Look, ISIS is evil. Full stop. They're killing way >>> more people in Syria and Iraq than the Coalition or the Iraq >>> military. >>> >>> But the West can expect more violent bloodshed at ISIS' hands in the >>> future. And when ISIS goes away it'll be someone else blowing up >>> people. We should do our best to stop it. Because it's going to >>> happen, again and again. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> frank > > -- > > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
