Well "G" (gfen), now we'll have to keep an eye on each other as we madly search through eBay.... ;-)
In general, related to the three posts copied below...I'm not sure what my needs are yet -- sort of. What I'm kicking around is wanting to try larger format. I'd started in photography about 40 years ago doing 6x6, and it wasn't until about 10 years later that I even bothered getting a 35mm. That was a Canon AE1 and it was great fun to have the AE when I wanted it but has long since been replaced by my Pentax PZ-1P. Back just a few months ago I decided to try my hand at medium format again and picked up a Pentax 645NII. I've been having a ball with that, and so far have the FA 75mm, FA 200mm, FA 45-80mm, and FA-80-160mm. I admit that I've become somewhat spoiled by metering capabilities of both the PZ-1P and 645NII. So I'm not so sure if in the long run I'd be happy without the in-camera metering. I also know that one thing that I like about both of my Pentax is the autofocus -- call that getting older I suppose. As for finding a good deal on a 6x7 w/MLU (rather than wanting to buy a new 67II), let me ask another question -- Bruce mentioned an AE prism II...which sort of matches my remembering that I've seen an AE prism (not II, meaning it's a "I"?). What does that provide or change with the metering capabilities over the TTL -- or is the AE prism what was meant as the "averaging TTL metered" prism? Dan Many wrote: > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:10:46 -0700 > From: "Bill D. Casselberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: "Crash Course" in 6X7 > > Dan ... > > if you are comfortable w/ early SLR's like the pre-SpotMatics > a 6x7 will be fine - just be sure it has the Mirror LockUp, as > only the oldest ones will lack the MLU. If you "need" in-camera > metering, the metered prism will give you full-frame averaging > at open aperture, much like a SpotMatic F. If you are comfortable > w/ an external meter, then the non-metered prism will suffice. > > The 67 came several years after the 6x7's and is much the same > beast w/ some minor changes others can detail. The 67II, from what > I can gather, seems to be an overgrown SuperProgram, less the > Shutter Priority. That is to say - more automation along the lines > of Aperture Priority/AutoExposure. I am less than totally familiar > w/ the 67II, but being as it is the current model, all info should > be available at the Pentax WebSite. > > MHO - find a good deal on a 6x7 w/ MLU and a prism of either sort > and use the bulk of your funds for lenses. > - Standard Operating Procedure > > Bill > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:38:11 -0400 (EDT) > From: gfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: "Crash Course" in 6X7 > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Dan Kirsch wrote: > > > I've been considering getting a 6X7, and have started looking at this by not only >checking the > > This makes two of us, now I have competion for when someone posts the ebay > finds.. damnit. :) > > > Pentax site, but also following some of the things available on eBay. But I'm >having a hard > > time trying to get a handle on what models are what other than the newest 67II. > > Again, that makes two of us. > > There appears to be no equivilent to the KMP pages, etc. I suppose I could > stand up and take the inititive, but not only am I incredibly lazy, but I > don't think I have the ability to really go into that much detail or do > that much research... Alright, so I am that lazy. > > > For example, I've noticed that first of all some seem to be listed as 6X7 while >others are > > listed as 67's. Some that are listed as 6X7 have "Asahi Pentax" on the finder, >others simply > > show Pentax. And some bodies are clearly older models than others. Add to this >the fact that I > > The earliest 6x7 had no MLU, the later 6x7s and 67s had MLU. Apparantly, > the 6x7 is all metal, the 67 replaced some of the metal parts with > plastics. At some point, the cosmetic changes of 6x7 being replaced with > 67 and Asahi Pentax being replaced with Pentax happened, as well. > > > can't seem to find anything indicating which finders were available for which >model, and it's > > leaving me a bit confused as to what I should be even looking for. > > The 6x7 and 67 have non-metered prism finders, averaging TTL metered > prisms, or waist-level finders available. > > > Can anyone point me to a web site or other information source that perhaps has >some comparison > > information as to what the various models were/are? I'm trying to understand >which model is > > older, which is newer; which offers AE, which doesn't; what features have been >added (MLU, etc.) > > I was told on the 67ii had AE. Only the earliest 6x7 did not have MLU. > > > and to which models. I'm trying to get a handle on whether it might be better to >just try to > > pick up an older system with several lenses, or to stick to a more modern model >and build my own > > I believe there are no longer parts for the 6x7, but there are still > parts for the 67. Me? I'll take either one, perferably with a metered > prism. The age factor means nothing, and I understand that the > mirror/shutter vibration is the same in both the 6x7 and 67.. can anyone > tell me if the 67ii has had any reduction in this? > > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:02:41 -0700 > From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re[2]: "Crash Course" in 6X7 > > Dan, > > I'll add to that since I have the 67II. The differences there are: > visibly brighter finder > New AE prism providing center weighted, matrix and spot metering and > Aperture priority or manual with meter scale similar to ZX series but > on the bottom where it should be. > Multiple exposure > TTL Flash metering > New, more robust film transport > Right hand grip built in - very nice > better shutter vibration dampening - so I'm told > > All parts and accessories are interchangeable between the bodies > except for the prisms. The AE prism II only works with the 67II. The > TTL prism only works with 67 & 6X7. There is also a new wood grip for > the 67II that supports the TTL flash. > > Certainly, depending on usage style, the 67II may or may not be the > right choice. If the things that I have outline above are very > important to you, then go for the 67II, if not, do as Bill suggested > and use more of your money on glass. > > Bruce - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. 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