What they need is a professional selfie consultant to advise them, compose the 
picture, arrange the lighting, perhaps a touch of makeup, and maybe push the 
button at just the right moment. That would improve selfies enormously.

Oh, and rather than that dull-looking woman in the pant suit, have someone in 
the background who's orange with candy floss on their head.

B

> On 26 Sep 2016, at 22:48, Daniel J. Matyola <danmaty...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The image is humorous, interesting but quite sad.
> 
> A curse on selfies and all who take them!
> 
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Igor PDML-StR <pdml...@komkon.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This morning someone sent me a link to a brief blogpost on Cnet, which got
>> me (re)evaluating - (re)thinking certain aspects of photography in our
>> lives. The photo was of a crowd in front of a famous politician waving at
>> them, while most people turned their backs and taking selfies of themselves
>> with the famous people being the background.
>> (The link is below, but first the thoughts.)
>> 
>> Over many years of taking photographs, sometimes as tourist (i.e. in very
>> touristic places, etc.), - I've been offered by others (friends, relatives,
>> bystanders) to take a picture of _me_. ... or rather of _me__being__there_.
>> Not that I was against those (and sometimes I did want some picture,
>> especially with friends or family), but I was not particularly ego to get
>> those. I wanted to take some interesting (at least to me) of the views from
>> that place.
>> One of the repeated questions/comments I had (usually not from close
>> friends or relatives who already knew what I am after, but from more
>> distant friends): "Why do you need those? - See there, they sell cards with
>> this view already printed."
>> 
>> Why was/am I taking those photos?
>> 1. I enjoy _taking_ them and
>> 2. I enjoy looking at them later, as they remind me of good time I had
>> there. And often, aftre many years, I remember the photos I've taken even
>> without looking at them: they are a connection for that place, person,
>> event. ... even though I might not be in those pictures myself.
>> (As an aside, - I appreciate the fact of being in some of those photos
>> more now, as my daughter is growing up, - so, that she can see her dad in
>> those photos too.)
>> 
>> Now, getting back to the conclusion quoted in the Subject of this message.
>> Yes, selfie is the fad du jour [is that tautology?].
>> To this date, most of the selfies I've taken are with my SLR (with a
>> tripod or a mirror help). But I don't want to judge those people who enjoy
>> selfies: to each of his/her own. And to some extent, those people aren't
>> that much different from those stranger on the street who are ego to pose
>> for you even though they are never going to see that photo. (This was a
>> very frequent situation with kid groups in Japan.)
>> 
>> 
>> My understanding of the said blogpost is that someone is trying to
>> question of how polite it is to take a selfie with a famous person (and
>> hence turning one's behind to her/him) as opposed to piercing with your
>> eyes and listening.
>> 
>> That brought to memories yet another story. Long time ago, one famous
>> Russian poet wrote a song that was "thinking" about a family being
>> photographed in front of the monument to the famous Russian poet Alexandr
>> Pushkin. The idea was based on the juxtaposition of the timelessness and
>> greatness of someone whose fame survived the test of centuries, and
>> "todayliness" of the concerns and that-minute problems of that family. I
>> remember that a friend was thinking that the author was criticizing the
>> family, and that that type of photo was awkward or even ridiculous due to
>> the contrast. While I understand that point of view (and I personally do
>> not like taking photographs of people (and myself) specifically with
>> someone's _personal_ monument), I never felt comfortable with that
>> criticism. And I've always thought that the song's author was just bringing
>> up the contrast as a way to highlight the simultaneous distance and
>> closeness of the great and small, old and contemporary, timeless and
>> transient.
>> 
>> But back to today's photo, here is what I am curious to hear from you,
>> deal PDMLers:
>> As photographers with different preferences, views and reasons to take
>> photographs, what do you think about what is shown in the photograph
>> discussed in that blogpost?
>> (Please, let's not digress into a political debate about the specific
>> politician, so, let's keep the political comments on mute.)
>> 
>> Here is the blogpost in question: https://goo.gl/VC5fU3 .
>> 
>> Thanks in advance to all who will respond.
>> 
>> Igor
>> 
>> 
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