My CVT will give adequate engine braking to hold it on the limit at speeds under 80kmh, for short distances, but by no means as good as a manual box.
John in Brisbane -----Original Message----- From: PDML [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Waller Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2017 1:16 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: OT -Unexptected Good News from Subaru While I did drive a few newer CVT equipped vehicles I didn't drive them enough to answer your question, however I'd be surprised if you couldn't get engine compression braking with them going downhill. -----Original Message----- >From: John <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: OT -Unexptected Good News from Subaru > >How well does it work going down-hill in the mountains so you don't >burn out your brakes? > >On 7/18/2017 16:01, Ken Waller wrote: >> I believe one of the benefits the makers of CVTs sought was increased >> mileage by tuning the engine/trans to operate in the optimum power >> range. >> >> However most people, use to the (gear) steps in an automatic find the >> constant acceleration to be unusual and to some unnerving, resulting >> in customer complaints and their effects on 'things gone wrong'. >> The inclusion of 'steps' is the manufacturers effort to improve >> customer satisfaction. >> I believe its another case of the industry unleashing 'new' >> technology without properly preparing the potential buyers for the >> different/unusual characteristics. >> >> I've not seen any numbers but the inclusion of these emulated steps >> can't have a big effect on overall economy. >> >> I also prefer a good manual transmission - I prefer the involvement - >> but I've driven some of the better dual clutch vehicles and they are >> very hard not to like and generally shift quicker than most can shift >> a manual. >> >> Kenneth Waller >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igor PDML-StR" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: OT -Unexptected Good News from Subaru >> >> >>> >>> >>> IMHO, those emulated steps on top of the CVT are ludicrous. >>> One of the biggest advantages (and the reasons why CVT was invented >>> in the first place) is the stepless, smooth transmission. >>> So, this "emulation" is undoing the benefit. >>> And I know that Nissan and Honda (and a few others) are doing that >>> horrendous stupidity to satisfy people who need to be jolted every >>> time they accelerate. The worst part is that you cannot disable that >>> stupid emulation. (That should be very simple - that's a computer >>> program.) >>> >>> I actually enjoy the smoothness I had from the CVT in Nissan Rogue, >>> except for the problems, which include the higher-pitched "whining" >>> sound. >>> >>> And yes, I enjoy the manual transmission too, which I've had for >>> many years, but now I am giving up on that, as that requirement >>> complicates >>> things: 1) the choice of cars is narrowed significantly and 2) the >>> logistics more complicated when my wife's car needs to be serviced, >>> or whatever... >>> >>> >>> Anyway... >>> >>> Igor >>> >>> >>> >>> Mon Jul 17 11:34:56 EDT 2017 P. J. Alling wrote: >>> >>> That's simply because most drivers are used to automatic >>> transmissions with discrete gears. I don't prefer either, given a >>> choice I'd take a manual transmission any day. I'd also like to >>> mention the fact that with the current generation of car thieves a >>> manual transmission is an unintended anti theft device. >>> >>> >>> On 7/17/2017 9:59 AM, Ken Waller wrote: >>>> That constant acceleration - lack of shift feel is subjectively >>>> seen by >>> some drivers as a negative, so much that some manufacturers have >>> added a shift feel to their CVT transmissions so as to eliminate the >>> constant acceleration feel. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Zos Xavius <zosxavius at gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: OT -Unexptected Good News from Subaru >>>>> >>>>> My mom has a CVT Nissan Sentra. Its pretty peppy between 0 and 80. >>>>> What's nice is that once it starts accelerating it doesn't stop. >>>>> Just smooth acceleration until you take your foot off the pedal. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:04 PM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenquist at >>> mac.com> wrote: >>>>>> I'd be worried about CVT durability, but for me, the main >>>>>> drawback is >>> the driving feel. My 2014 Equinox has an 8-speed automatic, it feels >>> great with a peppy 3- liter four, and has been trouble free. Nothing >>> but oil changed thus far. >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul via phone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Mark C <pdml-mark at charter.net> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Igor - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm certainly happy with Subaru's decision to extend the >>>>>>> warranty on >>> their CVT's and to provide retroactive compensation. I don't expect >>> to be using the money for a new lens. I'm pretty happy with the >>> lenses I have - turns out that hanging onto good full frame glass >>> was not a mistake The only lens that I am tempted to replace is the >>> FA 20-35 f4, but I can't get a good handle on its performance on the >>> K1. Sometimes it shines, sometimes it's a dud. It's clearly better >>> (marginally) on film than on the K1 in terms of edge and corner >>> sharpness. It also seems to be better at the long end than at 20mm. >>> I recently fine-tuned the AF - and it needed about 5 steps of >>> correction IIRC - so I'm hoping that helps. But I seldom shoot wider >>> than 28mm so I don't feel too motivated to upgrade to the DFA 15-30. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I suspect that the reimbursement from Subaru will go into the VW >>> repair fund. My wife's 2009 Tiguan seems to develop a $500 - $1000 >>> problem every 10K or so. In the past year and a half we've replaced >>> the timing chain, PCV system, rear main seal (blew out when the PCV >>> system failed) and water pump. Last Thursday the dealership told me >>> that both rear springs are broken - I need to get that checked out >>> by an independent mechanic. Seems odd that both springs would break >>> at the same time and that the car would still ride just fine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good luck with your car search. CVT's are a fact o life these >>>>>>> days >>> but they seem to be prone to funky and fatal errors. I would do >>> serious research on any CVT vehicle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Igor PDML-StR wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was just thinking about you and your Subaru CVT a few time in >>>>>>>> the >>> past week. (We are looking for a car right now.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am glad to hear that good news. I'd say that's probably an >>> indicator of Subaru being one of the better manufacturers >>> (behavior-wise). (Even though they should've admitted their problems >>> much earlier.) And your local dealership is also among the better >>> once since they've covered 50% even before this event. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nissan gave us all sort of problems with our CVT (on Rogue) >>>>>>>> over the >>> past 9 year, starting from the 1st year. And both, our dealership >>> and the corporate office were very bad to address these problems. >>> They were refusing to admit the problems despite the symptoms, until >>> the transmission failed completely. And for the 2nd time, they were >>> delaying admitting the problem it until the mileage was beyond the limit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After almost 20 years of owning Nissans (not exclusively), I am >>>>>>>> too >>> afraid to buy any Nissan at this point: all models I would be >>> potentially interested in have CVTs, and Nissan CVTs are plagued >>> with problems, and Nissan is bad addressing them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Speaking of "impressive" warranties (mentioned by Alan), - I've >>>>>>>> just >>> learned that the "best industry warranty" advertised by Hyundai is >>> to a large extent a gimmick: Only the 1st owner is eligible for the >>> 10 yrs/100k miles (powertrain) warranty, for the subsequent owners >>> it is 5yrs/60K. >>>>>>>> (Additionally, there is practically no "bumper-to-bumper", >>>>>>>> large >>> portion of the coverage of the "limited" warranty ends within the >>> 1st >>> year.) >>>>>>>> Kia's "industry-best" warranty is a similar gimmick. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyway, - I am glad Mark for you. Despite the headache, at >>>>>>>> least you >>> didn't suffer as much of the financial hit... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And the most intriguing question (for this list): >>>>>>>> Are you going to buy some new lens with the unexpected ~$4K? >>>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Igor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark C Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:46:26 -0700 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just over a year ago I posted about the failure of my Subaru >>>>>>>> CVT >>> transmission, and appreciated the advice I got here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yesterday I received a notice from Subaru that they have >>> retroactively extended the warranty on the CVT's to 10 years / 100K. >>> The letter included a claim form to get reimbursement for out of >>> pocket repair costs for those of us who had their CVT fail. Subaru >>> picked up 50% of the cost to replace my transmission but I was still >>> out of pocket about $4000 - good on Subaru to step and cover this >>> problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
