Thanks for your wonderfully upbeat response. =8^/

Epson R-D1 cameras were a bit early on the curve, and Epson decided not to put 
any more development in when Cosina was in the process of closing down the body 
production it was based on. It was the only other digital rangefinder camera 
ever made, and is still sought after by some enthusiasts despite being 12 years 
out of date with respect to sensor technology.

The Ricoh GXR with M-mount camera unit was the only other non-Leica camera made 
specifically with a sensor tailored for M-mount lenses .. you didn't adapt 
Leica lenses to it, that's what it was made for, in contrast to all the other 
EVF cameras on the market with the exception of Leica's own. The issue with it 
was that Ricoh made it and its system too complex, making it difficult to 
market, sell (due to the price), and maintain development for. It did a superb 
job with a very large range of M-mount lenses, certainly more than any of the 
other third party M-mount adaptations. Many Leica enthusiasts still have and 
use the GXR, and wish Ricoh would have developed a better EVF and higher 
resolution sensor for it. But it remains an EVF camera, and many still want an 
optical rangefinder. 

I figure if the PIXII makes it to production, whether APS-C or FF, it has a 
good shot at a reasonable niche audience if it performs well and is reliable. I 
doubt it's going to take the world by storm and become a new standard that 
everyone aspires to. But I see no reason not to be optimistic that it gets into 
production and satisfies a community of enthusiast users. 

Note that I won't be one of them. I have my CL and M-D Leicas already and don't 
need another M-mount camera. :-)

That Pentax-L 43mm Limited remains interesting to me, yes, for both my M-D and 
CL bodies. It's just a bit hard to come by and a touch pricey but I might go 
for one, eventually. 

G

On Oct 23, 2018, at 7:29 AM, P. J. Alling <[email protected]> wrote:

>> One of these with a Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Limited would be pretty darn neat. 
>> :-)
> 
> So is a Leica pretty much any of them, or even a Epson RD1.
> 
> I have a prediction, it doesn't have the name Leica on it, and it doesn't 
> have a red dot, based on that I predict this camera will tank in the market, 
> because it will require a Leica sized price and really no one really likes a 
> range finder, (well I like rangefinders, but only in comparison to cameras 
> that have scale focusing), if they have another choice, unless it has the 
> name Leica on it, and there are lots of rangefinder like cameras with EVFs to 
> choose from these days.
> 
> I also predict this for the new Zenit M, because, the Zenit was an 
> inexpensive camera that actually cost more to make than it sold for, because 
> the Soviet Union really needed Hard western currency.  At $5000-$7000 it just 
> isn't worth that much for a Russian branded novelty.  If it costs like a 
> Leica, you might as well buy a Leica.
> 
> 
>> On 10/23/2018 10:01 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a couple 
>> others might be interested.
>> 
>> ---
>> This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica 
>> Rumors: https://pixii.fr.
>> 
>> Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory only, 
>> WiFi connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor format and 
>> Mpixel yet, but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 12 to 16 
>> Mpixels. Another information update is supposedly due soon.
>> 
>> Could be a pretty neat camera if it pans out and gets produced. Kind of an 
>> updated, modernized take on the Ricoh GXR with M-mount camera unit 
>> fitted—the best non-Leica M-mount camera there's been so far. Of course, 
>> that was an EVF camera which meant it was more versatile lens-wise but its 
>> lifespan was tied to the quality of the EVF. This is an optical finder with 
>> a rangefinder, so you're limited to Leica M-mount lenses for focusing.
>> 
>> One of these with a Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Limited would be pretty darn neat. 
>> :-)
>> 
>> G
>> —
>> No matter where you go, there you are.

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