> On 07 January 2021 at 13:08 Bob Pdml <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Pence could be the USA’s Admiral Doenitz

When it needed a von Stauffenberg

> 
> > On 7 Jan 2021, at 12:54, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > Impeachment with conviction in the Senate would prevent him from holding
> > office in the future. There are people saying the effort would be worth it
> > to ensure he never gets a second chance.
> > 
> > bill
> > 
> > 
> >> On Thu., Jan. 7, 2021, 1:44 a.m. John, <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On 1/6/2021 18:44:28, John Francis wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 06:17:56PM -0500, John wrote:
> >>>> On 1/6/2021 17:08:28, Bill wrote:
> >>>>> Given the brouhaha going on in DC at the moment and the fact it has
> >> been
> >>>>> incited by #45, does what he has done constitute treason?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Note, let's not get ourselves exercised about this. I am genuinely
> >> curious.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> bill
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Technically no. The Constitution defines treason very narrowly and this
> >>>> doesn't fit within that definition.
> >>>> 
> >>>> OTOH, it's not too late to impeach him again.
> >>>> 
> >>>> And there's a good argument that it may be time for Pence to suck it up
> >> and
> >>>> invoke Clause 4 of the 25th Amendment.
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Assuming the response from Trump would be to declare himself to be fit
> >> to serve,
> >>> to unseat him would require a two-thirds majority in both houses. Is
> >> that likely?
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> If the President "transmits a written declaration that no inability
> >> exists", the
> >> Vice President has 4 days to respond. Congress then has 21 days to
> >> assemble and
> >> vote.
> >> 
> >> Trump only has 14 days left in office.
> >> 
> >> The clock runs out before a two-thirds majority is required.

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