There are pros & cons for either course. If he's suspended under Section 4 or the 25th Amendment, he wouldn't be able to pardon himself.

He could then unquestionably be tried for Federal crimes & be ineligible as a Convicted Felon. And he wouldn't be allowed to campaign from prison.

I would prefer New York State to go after him, because if he's convicted for fraud & tax evasion there, he's likely to be confined in the *Clinton Correctional Facility* in Dannemora.

... poetic justice with a cherry on top.

On 1/7/2021 07:53:41, Bill wrote:
Impeachment with conviction in the Senate would prevent him from holding
office in the future. There are people saying the effort would be worth it
to ensure he never gets a second chance.

bill


On Thu., Jan. 7, 2021, 1:44 a.m. John, <[email protected]> wrote:

On 1/6/2021 18:44:28, John Francis wrote:
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 06:17:56PM -0500, John wrote:
On 1/6/2021 17:08:28, Bill wrote:
Given the brouhaha going on in DC at the moment and the fact it has
been
incited by #45, does what he has done constitute treason?

Note, let's not get ourselves exercised about this. I am genuinely
curious.

bill


Technically no. The Constitution defines treason very narrowly and this
doesn't fit within that definition.

OTOH, it's not too late to impeach him again.

And there's a good argument that it may be time for Pence to suck it up
and
invoke Clause 4 of the 25th Amendment.


Assuming the response from Trump would be to declare himself to be fit
to serve,
to unseat him would require a two-thirds majority in both houses. Is
that likely?



If the President "transmits a written declaration that no inability
exists", the
Vice President has 4 days to respond. Congress then has 21 days to
assemble and
vote.

Trump only has 14 days left in office.

The clock runs out before a two-thirds majority is required.

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