I just thought of something else… Within LR, looking at the 3 images as
imported (i.e., under Develop, under the Profile portion, WB As Shot):
645Z - Temp = 5000, Tint = +36
K-1 - Temp = 5200, Tint = +21
K-3 - Temp = 5250, Tint = +29
So, different “normal” Auto settings for the three cameras?
Stan
> On May 22, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> The difference in saturation and contrast is a matter of rendering. Are they
> in camera jpegs? If so, the rendering engines in the cameras are programmed
> differently or a menu choice (like vivid vs normal) are probably set to
> different values. If you’re shooting RAW, you just made different decisions.
> Every lens and sensor is different so you render based on what you see.
>
> Paul
>
>> On May 22, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Stanley Halpin <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Three parts, skip to #3 if you like.
>> [1] = background on my camera stuff;
>> [2] = philosophical musings on why do I have this stuff and how am I using
>> it; and
>> [3] = link to small gallery of shots comparing 3 Pentax bodies, each with
>> one of three Pentax macro lenses. Oh, and then
>> [4] = my lessons learned and thoughts about what’s next.
>>
>> [1] My name is Stan and I am a camera equipment addict. Current inventory of
>> DSLRs includes 2 @ K-1ii, 1 @ 645Z, and 1 @ K-3iii. I will leave aside the
>> GRiii and K-01 and Q-S1 and WG-5 and WG-M1 at this point.
>>
>> [2] In my defense, I don’t just buy stuff, I use my cameras and I even
>> sometimes sell cameras and/or bodies which I am not using. Also, since
>> almost forever, I do not like to be in a situation where I am without a
>> decent camera. Which mens that, when I travel or when I go out for a day to
>> hunt flowers or birds or barns or whatever, I like to have 2 camera bodies
>> with me, just in case one stops working. And, yes, I carry spare batteries
>> and spare SD cards.
>> [Side story. 1998. There I was, in a dugout canoe, being taken across a
>> large lagoon in Panama on the way to a native tribal village for a visit and
>> likely interesting photos. My reason for the Panama trip was work-related, I
>> did not know I would be able to get any time on my own for a side trip like
>> this, only took one camera, my relatively new Pz-1p with FA 28-105. A
>> alligator/crocodile popped his head up to watch us. I took a quick snap,
>> realized that I had just used the last shot on that roll of film. Quickly
>> rewound, pulled out another roll, opened the camera back, pulled out the
>> used roll, started to put in the fresh roll, the canoe rocked a bit, I put
>> my thumb through the cloth shutter curtain. I really really hate it when I
>> don’t have a backup with me.]
>>
>> I think of the K-1 as my main cameras. The 645Z is just very special. I
>> bought my first 6456Z a few months before a long trip in Alaska, planning to
>> use it to replicate some of Ansel Adam’s views of Denali. I later sold that
>> body, primarily because it doesn’t have SR except unless you buy a newer
>> lens with SR in the lens. And those newer lenses cost almost as much as the
>> body. Then fairly recently bought a used 645Z and 90/2.8 SR lens at a very
>> attractive package price. I got the K-3iii a few weeks ago, primarily
>> attracted by the stories of super continuous AF, great for moving targets
>> like birds in flight. My thought was to sell one of the K-1 bodies, use the
>> K-3iii as my “back-up” camera when traveling. With the added advantages of
>> good AF and the APS-C crop factor to help on longer shots.
>>
>> The dilemma. An Azalea bush and a Rhododendron bush or two are flowering in
>> our yard. I headed out to do some macro shots of the buds and flowers. First
>> thought was to take the 645Z. But wait I have this super new camera, I
>> should use that… I have since done a bit of dithering and “test” shots,
>> culminating this morning in an evenly lit breeze-free opportunity to do four
>> shots (/5.6, /8.0, /11.0, and /16) with each of the following (all at
>> ISO100, manually focused): a) 645Z with D FA 90/2.8 Macro ED AW SR; b)
>> K-3iii with PK-A 50/2.8 Macro; and c) K-1ii with D FA 100/2.8 Macro WR.
>>
>> [3] The gallery:
>> https://adobe.ly/3fwx4wc
>>
>> In order these three shots, all at f/8.0, are 645Z, K-3iii, and K-1ii. The
>> 4th image shows the set up for the shots. All of these are unprocessed,
>> straight from the camera except for a square crop on all in part for
>> composition and in part to provide roughly equivalent views of the subject.
>> If anybody wants to pixel-peep, compare settings etc, I would be glad to
>> share the rest of the set (images shot at /5.6, /11.0, and /16.)
>> For those that want more of the gory details, the long edge, before and
>> after cropping: 645Z 8256 -> 5824; K-1 7360 -> 4908; K-3 6193 -> 4128
>>
>> [4]
>> a - I’ve said it before, but I don’t think Pentax has ever made a bad
>> Macro lens.
>> b - I don’t understand why the K-3 image seems too bright particularly in
>> the highlight areas. Maybe it is “more accurate” than the older sensors?
>> Maybe I have some random setting set wrongly? Is it a metering thing due to
>> using a PK-A lens on this one rather than a D FA as on the others? In any
>> case, I prefer the tonality of the other two.
>> c - I do miss having a flip-out screen on the K-3iii for composing and
>> focusing.
>> d - the wonderfulness of the viewfinder on the K-3iii was much hyped and
>> acclaimed in Pentax publicity and early reviews. They are right, it is a
>> fine viewfinder.
>>
>> e - But, so what? Do I keep the K-3iii and sell one of the K-1 bodies?
>> Ironically, my main usage of the K-3iii APS-C with wonderful viewfinder and
>> wonderful tracking AF would be to use this body paired with my DA* 300/4.0
>> and optionally including the DA 1.4x teleconverter. So, a good bird-shooting
>> rig. I say “ironically” because the SDM on my 300/4 died a few months ago.
>> So I can’t really try out the camera in the way I had intended.
>>
>> f - I probably should get the 300/4 SDM issue taken care of. I presume
>> Precision could do that. However, since I am much more likely to do street
>> or macro or landscapes than to do birds-in-flight sort of shooting, and
>> since I find i do miss the fold-out screen, and since the out-of-camera look
>> of the images from the K-3 are less pleasing to me than the other two, I may
>> not wait, but rather just sell the K-3iii.
>>
>> Any thoughts are welcome as always!
>>
>> Stan
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