Oh yeah... And to add to what you were saying. I remember reading somewhere that the 
Mayans would did a big pit and with a sort of "pinhole lens" would view such things as 
eclipses and such. Central American camera obscura?
  Bob Walkden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Hi,

> surely the first photo was Leonardo da Vinci's self-portrait, which is
> now doing the rounds as the Shroud of Turin .

> In some ways photography has been around since at least the Middle
> Ages. There's a fascinating book by Philip Steadman called "Vermeer's
> Camera" in which the author argues that Vermeer used a camera obscura
> to paint his most famous works. He makes a very good case. The book
> includes a brief historical overview of the use of the camera obscura
> and other optical devices by painters, sketchers and others which I'm
> sure must be interest to most photographers.

> ---

> Bob 

> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Thursday, June 27, 2002, 12:31:28 PM, you wrote:

>> Hi - There's an article on msnbc that I thought you all would be interested in:
>> although I'm pretty sure it was not taken with a Pentax :)

>> http://www.msnbc.com/news/772860.asp?0dm=N15LT

>> Criteque? :)

>> Oliver
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