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From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?


> Trying to battle Canon and
> Nikon on the 35mm front is foolish.  They already lost the battle.

After reading all posting of the thread so far I wonder why we are all still
sticking to Pentax:)
I don't agree with the point of view stated above (and it has been already
disscussed several times), because the photographic market is not a constant
thing. Conditions change. Yes, Pentax lost the battle, but why do you think
they also lost the whole war? They can and IMHO should counterattack. And
actually they do. Of course, I don't know if Pentax is going to try to
reclaim its position in the pro market (I know many of you don't like the
word "pro" - forgive me for using it here) but I don't think that new
advanced features like P-TTL and HSS were introduced for amateurs only or
for two cameras only. MZ-60 doesn't support neither of them AFAIK...
Trying to battle Canon and Nikon is NOT foolish if Pentax has a good
strategy and competitive products. And it has... You would be surprised how
well the MZ-6 is in Poland. It gathers great opinions in the Usenet, wins
magazine tests (beating easily products like Dynaxx 5 and EOS 300). It seems
to become the standard entry level camera for those who plan to develop
their photgraphic skills instead of EOS300 - people either ask for the MZ-6
or ask for advice on what choice of the camera they should make and get the
response of "MZ-6". And if these people want to get some advanced camera in
the future, they will surely go for the MZ-S or even more advanced product
of Pentax ( if such a product exists of course).
What Pentax needs for its counterattack to be successful are IMHO the
following: introduction of the image stabilisation lenses, ultrasonic AF
(not necessarily but would be nice to have it), faster fps rate (at least
matching that of the Z-1p) and MOST OF ALL a proper, clear and consistent
marketing strategy as well as proper cooperation with local dealers, who are
often so much incompetent...
Some of you are surely going to beat me for my words...oh, well, I can
handle it. I've already heard that you don't want Pentax cameras to look
like F5 or EOS1v. I don't want it, too. However, I think that unlike Minolta
Pentax is able to get back into "pro" (oh, yes - again this hated word, but
i don't know how to call it in a different way) market and settle there. Why
"unlike Minolta"? It has already been said several times that Pentax cannot
compete with Canon and Nikon, because Minolta tried it and was unsuccessful.
Yes, but Pentax has serious advantages over Minolta: its somewhat classic
style, elegance, convenience of control, ergonomy, backward compatibility,
SMC etc. The only thing it needs to do is to make a proper use of these
advantages and add to them some new technical fireworks.
Whether Pentax wants to do it or not is of course another thing...

> The
> real battle area for them is in the 645 arena.  This is an area where
> both Contax and Mamiya are working with that very concept.  Pentax
> would have better luck putting there efforts there.

The battle in the MF market is of course important, but unless Pentax
introduces interchangeable backs for the 645 and 67, it will not be able to
win the battle with Contax and Mamiya. This is of course but a personal
point of view:)
Now I prepare myself to be flamed:))
Greetz
Artur
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