Mike We use it as a bit more than chalk.
We deign and manufacture all of our own products in house, no outsourcing, as well as supplying designs for manufacture under license. I would like to learn, I have tried to learn, I can hammer at the QL for days, you would not believe the amount of time I invested in trying to get the skills needed to master the QL, at one point I spent a whole week at it, nothing else, but then have to get back to real work, then when I do need to look to use the QL in anger, I still have to get back up to speed on it. I do not swap between skills on a daily basis, I don't do some SCH in the morning and some programming skills in the afternoon or I reckon I would have the polished skills to cut it with the QL. Guess I am just stupid, or simply cannot see any wood because my view is blocked by trees. I'll go back to silent mode again and leave you guys in peace. John > -----Original Message----- > From: edsi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 19 November 2004 12:59 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Protel EDA Discussion List > Subject: RE: [PEDA] 99se vs. DXP vs. 2004.. > > John > I walk into some companies that are using Protel as > Electronic CHALK, because the engineers wont learn advanced > features. How can we expect anyone to learn the querries > when all the peasants want is a piece of chalk to sketch > their drawing? You would not believe the documentation I > receive in both Orcad and Protel that are so poorly drawn. > Good for Altium for changing the Global edits. It had to be > one of the top complaints about DXP. Now....if they can > speed things up again and give us the good graphics we had > for editing multilayer boards back. Specifically, when I > press the mouse on a track I want to see the whole connection > highlight so I can see where it is routed . This is really > handy on high density designs. And before I get jumped on > .....oh yea you can do it in 04 but you have to depress a key > with the left hand and use the foot pedal to apply the > pressure. It is really awkward. It reminds me of using PADS > the move component command is CONTROL E, try that 500 times > and see if your left hand isnt disfigured at the end of day. > BAD BAD BAD Make the graphics work and appear like the > classic 99SE and speed things up is all that is my wish list. > Other than that DXP is fairly decent. We are looking > forward to using the 3D export featurs soon > > Mike Reagan > EDSI > > > > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "John A. Ross [RSDTV]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Protel EDA Discussion List > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:47:46 -0000 > > >> snip < > > > >> If your only hurdle to P2004 is the query language, then I suggest > >> you just get used to it. > > > >Jason > > > >Exactly the attitude Altium took. > > > >There are genuine people out here who cannot get there heads > round the > >query language enough to make it natural for them, if it > cannot become > >a natural trained response then it becomes counter productive. > > > >For anyone who has not been used to working with code at any > time it will always be so. > > > >Trying to force the customer to change to fit the tools / > vendors is actually, to be frank, nuts. > >Look at the time it has been around and it still scares > people who look at it. > > > >If this one KEY tool in using P2004 cannot become natural > and easy to > >use then it is a feature that fails the whole tool chain and > any other benefits which rely on it (pretty much everything). > > > >I include myself in this group, every day I use DXP and have to do > >something that was a natural, trained, instinctive process > in 99SE and > >have to make up a query for it I need to think hard about this, > >construct it, test it, check it and if need be debug it and > do it again (very common iterative process). > > > >I do not have to write a macro in MS word to do a simple thing like > >select text, and make only that text bold, I have buttons to > do it, a > >graphical process, much easier for the eye/mind to recognise > and process. No text to type, no parenthesis to worry about, > no syntax to worry about.... > > > >Getting the right query is sometimes the type of iterative process I > >would expect in software development, or VHDL development where the > >expected behaviour is to construct, test, debug and back round again. > > > >This however should NOT put anyone off DXP, when it comes to > the query > >language and getting used to it and making it natural to > use, well, I > >must just be extremely stupid and dumb compared to the other > 99.9999% of DXP. > > > >It does have its benefits, in odd occasions and it is a > feature I would > >NOT like to see disappear from DXP and be entirely replaced by 99SE > >method & 99SE query manager, but I can account, in terms of > real time, how much pain using the query language directly, > instead of a wrapper, costs me. > > > >This is only one mans opinion, mine, I guess, it is also not > a direct attack on your post, it . > > > >John > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum > > > >To Post messages: > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Unsubscribe and Other Options: > >http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com > > > >Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > >Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum > > To Post messages: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Unsubscribe and Other Options: > http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com > > Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > ____________________________________________________________ You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum To Post messages: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe and Other Options: http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
