My first professional program was a 1500 line macro for Lotus v2.1, (~1986) used to tabulate data from a velocimeter acquisition system. My second was another Lotus macro that was an iterative calculator...
>-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob stephens >Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:04 PM >To: 'Protel EDA Discussion List' >Subject: RE: [PEDA] 99se vs. DXP vs. 2004.. Need a >sampleoffeelingsaboutdiff.and reasons for moving or not to the next > >I agree with the spreadsheet analogy, it is more like a macro >language than a programming language. However I don't find the >query language all that intuitive either, and I *AM* a programmer. > >I find myself using it only when I can't accomplish something >any other way and as a result I pretty well suck at it. > >If Altium wasn't Altium and included some clearly worked >examples in the manual, I think people would adapt much more readily. > > >Bob Stephens >Principal Design Engineer >DCX-CHOL > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Morgan >Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:32 AM >To: Protel EDA Discussion List >Subject: RE: [PEDA] 99se vs. DXP vs. 2004.. Need a sample >offeelingsaboutdiff.and reasons for moving or not to the next > >I would not describe the query language as programming, more >like entering a formula in Excel. > >When programming you have to worry about each lines affect on >all others, the query language is much simpler thatn a >'proper' programming language. In the query language, you are >just describing what you want to show, all in one line. > >How is that any different to clicking the right boxes and >typing the a=b formulas for replacement in 'old protel' > >I think perhaps calling it a 'language' is what people are >worried about - perhaps altium should rename it. > >In any case, just like in excel, there is a wizard that allows >basic queryies to be build with no knowlege of programming >required - just english. > >j. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John A. Ross [RSDTV] >Sent: 19 November 2004 10:48 >To: 'Protel EDA Discussion List' >Subject: RE: [PEDA] 99se vs. DXP vs. 2004.. Need a sample >offeelingsaboutdiff. and reasons for moving or not to the next > > >> snip < > >> If your only hurdle to P2004 is the query language, then I >suggest you >> just get used to it. > >Jason > >Exactly the attitude Altium took. > >There are genuine people out here who cannot get there heads >round the query language enough to make it natural for them, >if it cannot become a natural trained response then it becomes >counter productive. > >For anyone who has not been used to working with code at any >time it will always be so. > >Trying to force the customer to change to fit the tools / >vendors is actually, to be frank, nuts. >Look at the time it has been around and it still scares people >who look at it. > >If this one KEY tool in using P2004 cannot become natural and >easy to use then it is a feature that fails the whole tool >chain and any other benefits which rely on it (pretty much everything). > >I include myself in this group, every day I use DXP and have >to do something that was a natural, trained, instinctive >process in 99SE and have to make up a query for it I need to >think hard about this, construct it, test it, check it and if >need be debug it and do it again (very common iterative process). > >I do not have to write a macro in MS word to do a simple thing >like select text, and make only that text bold, I have buttons >to do it, a graphical process, much easier for the eye/mind to >recognise and process. No text to type, no parenthesis to >worry about, no syntax to worry about.... > >Getting the right query is sometimes the type of iterative >process I would expect in software development, or VHDL >development where the expected behaviour is to construct, >test, debug and back round again. > >This however should NOT put anyone off DXP, when it comes to >the query language and getting used to it and making it >natural to use, well, I must just be extremely stupid and dumb >compared to the other 99.9999% of DXP. > >It does have its benefits, in odd occasions and it is a >feature I would NOT like to see disappear from DXP and be >entirely replaced by 99SE method & 99SE query manager, but I >can account, in terms of real time, how much pain using the >query language directly, instead of a wrapper, costs me. > >This is only one mans opinion, mine, I guess, it is also not a >direct attack on your post, it . > >John > > > >____________________________________________________________ >You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum > >To Post messages: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Unsubscribe and Other Options: >http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com > >Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > >Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > >____________________________________________________________ >You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum > >To Post messages: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Unsubscribe and Other Options: >http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com > >Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > >Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > >____________________________________________________________ >You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum > >To Post messages: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Unsubscribe and Other Options: >http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com > >Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > >Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > ____________________________________________________________ You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum To Post messages: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe and Other Options: http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
