i can't argue with you here

we do do most of what you say here including the filenames for the stackup, albiet in the form of
*.GTL
*.GM1
etc


Dennis Saputelli

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Integrated Controls, Inc.           Tel: 415-647-0480  EXT 107
2851 21st Street                    Fax: 415-647-3003
San Francisco, CA 94110             www.integratedcontrolsinc.com


Brad Velander wrote:
Dennis,
        I think that you could very well be right, with two files they may have 
just missed the second file anyway and plated whichever file they did find 
whether it was the plated or unplated holes. There is a great separation in the 
quality and reliability of Asian shops. There are those that will compete toe - 
toe with most any American shop and there are those that just find it too 
difficult to hold a job for a day or two and get proper confirmation when there 
is an issue. Fortunately I never ran into much of the latter (just one but in a 
very funny and non-critical way).
        One of the biggest aspects to consider when dealing with foreign shops 
is language. Always consider that their average employee probably can't read 
even your file names and make sense of them. Then draw drawings with names and 
numbers because they will communicate the intent that just gets lost in words 
on a foreign language speaker. (ie. Drill charts that include size and Tool 
number, possibly a separate column for plated and unplated indication. A layer 
stack-up that actually includes your filenaming for each layer, then they can 
do a simple match and comparison without understanding English.) Just think of 
how you would do it in their shoes if you had a bunch of docs in a foreign 
language but you had to do the job anyway.

Sincerely,
Brad Velander
Senior PCB Designer
Northern Airborne Technology
1925 Kirschner Rd.,
Kelowna, BC, V1Y 4N7.
tel (250) 763-2329 ext. 225
fax (250) 762-3374


-----Original Message----- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 6, 2005 3:04 PM To: Protel EDA Discussion List Subject: Re: [PEDA] NTPs and aisan bd shops


we generally do formal fab drawings with layer stack up, materials, all necessary callouts to build the bds but do not do a drill dwg
because it is in the drill data and saves work


yeah yeah i know
but it has always worked in USA :)

i do think that if we had had 2 drill files as i have heard discussed that too would have solved this issue

Dennis Saputelli

_______________________________________________________________________
Integrated Controls, Inc.           Tel: 415-647-0480  EXT 107
2851 21st Street                    Fax: 415-647-3003
San Francisco, CA 94110             www.integratedcontrolsinc.com



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