> And a bit of hard won experience. Avoid "no-clean" flux, it will leak at
> high humidity. It is only to be used at less than 100 V.
>
> Regards,
> --Paul
>

I've measured no-clean flux leakage variance with voltages as low as 2v.  It 
was a regulated supply for a battery powered project & the no-clean flux was 
conducting a number of pico-amps which varied from day-day.  I was only able 
to solve the problem after "massive" number of cleaning & scrubbing cycles. 
Even with visual analysis with a microscope, you could not tell the 
difference before & after the cleaning, and yet, there was a significant 
measureable difference in effect.


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Heilman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 500V power supply


> And a bit of hard won experience. Avoid "no-clean" flux, it will leak at
> high humidity. It is only to be used at less than 100 V.
>
> Regards,
> --Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:11 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] 500V power supply
>
> Oh, come on...Electrical leakage is leakage Brad. Creepage is a "cute"
> term meant to apply specifically to surface leakage, but it's all
> leakage, as in electrical current flowing unexpectedly through a
> dielectric medium. (call it over if you like, it's still "thru" to my
> physics eye.) That's one of the novel things that the IPC brings to the
> table. Redefinition of basic physics into terms that can suit the
> purposes of obsfucation...and of course profit by intellectual ownership
> of originally US-citizen-owned information.
>
> For instance, when I designed an instrument for KLM a couple years ago
> to (amongst other things) measure LEAKAGE from pin to pin on a
> connector, the mode of transport under consideration was not leakage
> across the air gap, but through the dielectric separating the contacts.
>
> It's my policy to leave the cute to the IPC, Altium's marketing
> Goo-Roos, and the cabal of "shhhhh...don't tell anyone its just water".
>
> And yes, DC or AC, the critical value is the peak value. All AC is DC if
> time passes slowly enough, and most DC is AC if you speed the clock a
> bit. Peak values Carlos. That means not only what you expect, but what
> might be. (Hence the engineering margins I spoke of earlier)
>
> Regards,
>
> aj
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Velander
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:37 PM
>>To: Protel EDA Discussion List
>>Subject: Re: [PEDA] 500V power supply
>>
>> I don't believe I have seen anyone else point out that the
> spacing
>>requirements are typically specified for DC (RMS).
>>Any AC, pulses or spikes have to be suitably considered at their "peak"
>
>>values. That 'typically' bumps you up at least one voltage
>>rating/spacing category.
>>
>> I would say that you really need to read IPC-2221 section 6.3,
> as a
>>minimum.
>>
>> Besides that there is a lot of other information from safety
>>regulators like UL/CSA/EU/TUV, more specifically towards product safety
>
>>and power supply design. With the safety regulators it typically gets
>>even more complex because they start taking into account environmental
>>pollutants (humidity, dust or other particles which can compromise the
>>spacing) and applying pollutant/environment categories. Andrew mentions
>
>>"leakage" and leakage has two forms. Leakage is typically through air
>>or an air gap, "creepage" is across surfaces and is equally important
>>in most cases.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Brad Velander
>>Senior PCB Designer
>>Northern Airborne Technology
>>#14 - 1925 Kirschner Road,
>>Kelowna, BC, V1Y 4N7.
>>tel (250) 763-2232 ext. 225
>>fax (250) 762-3374
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 1:15 PM
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: Re: [PEDA] 500V power supply
>>
>>
>>Exactly. Be careful that you don't think "ideally". Think instead
>>cautiously. Cautious is wider spacing. Do not go under, as you will not
>
>>necessarily see any immediate problem, even though there may very well
>>be a major problem. (leakage)
>>
>>
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