Correction: Of course this post was meant to be addressed to Gary Fuhrman
and the list, not to myself! GR

*Gary Richmond*
*Philosophy and Critical Thinking*
*Communication Studies*
*LaGuardia College of the City University of New York*


On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Gary Richmond <[email protected]>wrote:

> Gary R, List,
>
> I agree with what all that you've just written, Gary.
>
>  Turning now to a related topic, perhaps more closely associated with
> Chapter 1 of Kees' book, Richard V. Reeves, a biographer of John Stuart
> Mill, wrote an op-ed piece in today's *New York Times*, "Writing About a
> Life of Ideas," which shed for me a bit of light on biographies of
> intellectuals in general and on those of Peirce in particular.
> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/19/writing-about-a-life-of-ideas/?ref=opinion
>
> In the essay Reeves writes:
>
> *Biographers of intellectuals are, in the end, biographers of ideas rather
> than of individuals. Our hope is to bring those ideas into higher
> definition, by describing their human provenance. It's a modest enough
> task. But it's enough.*
>
>
> and
>
> *Rather than attempting to turn a great thinker into a greater person, our
> goal is simply to cast a different light on our subject's ideas, in the
> hope of seeing them a little more clearly.*
>
>
> still
>
>  *And yet the ideas cannot be cleaved, in their entirety, from the life --
> or at least, that's what biographers have to tell themselves.*
>
> *There is an inescapable interiority to intellectual biography, since the
> story is of the mind as much as of the body. Sometimes that interior story
> is, in itself, gripping*
>
> Be that as it may, I think that this supports your notion, Gary, that on
> the list, as in our individual philosophical work, that we best focus our
> attention on Peirce's ideas rather than on the man. Still, in this
> discussion of "Mind, God and cosmos," I don't think our discussion of
> Peirce's own religious views and experiences is inappropriate.
>
> Best,
>
> Gary R.
>
> *Gary Richmond*
> *Philosophy and Critical Thinking*
> *Communication Studies*
> *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York*
>
>
> On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Gary Fuhrman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Gary, Phyllis, Gene, Søren, Stephen, Ben, list,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all for illuminating contributions to this thread!
>>
>>
>>
>> I've pretty much given up talking or writing about my quasi-mystical
>> experiences (to use Gary's term), partly because others naturally don't
>> know what I'm talking about, but mostly because my attempts to make them
>> comprehensible, no matter how 'inspired' they might feel at the moment, by
>> the next day sound like sops to Cerberus. Besides, why should anybody be
>> interested in my private experiences expressed in public language? I'm not
>> interested in them myself! What I'm always looking for is some way to sweep
>> aside the cognitive cobwebs that come between us and the immediate,
>> continuous reality that pours through our pores all the time. -- But that's
>> already a sop to Cerberus.
>>
>>
>>
>> In my youth I tried to say something aphoristically, but what I've been
>> trying to do in *Turning Signs* for a dozen years or so is contruct an
>> context in which something can be said that will push the envelope of
>> language even while affirming its limitations. I think this requires a
>> spirit of inquiry, and my main inspiration for the
>> scientific/philosophical/semiotic side of this has been Peirce (updated
>> where necessary). But my main inspiration from the religious side has been
>> Dogen (the 13th-century Zen master). What Peirce and Dogen have in
>> common is that they plumb experiential reality to its depths even while
>> pushing rational inquiry to its limits. (One good collection of Dogen's
>> works is called *Rational Zen*, and one of the best books about him
>> calls him a *Mystical Realist*.) Of course, what I've learned from both
>> Peirce and Dogen has been determined by my own inquiry, and I'm sure
>> whatever any reader could learn from my book would be equally determined by
>> that reader's ongoing inquiry.
>>
>>
>>
>> I try to keep in touch with Peirce-L (though I sometimes get behind)
>> because it reminds me that there's more to be learned from Peirce than my
>> own inquiry can comprehend, and of course the conversation here often
>> reminds me how deeply fallible my own comprehension is. But mostly it's the
>> ever-growing, never-complete sense of the Peircean context that adds value
>> to the gems I manage to mine from his work and incorporate into my own
>> (con)text.
>>
>>
>>
>> Which I'd better turn back to now ...
>>
>>
>>
>> } But what is that which is one going to prehend? [Finnegans Wake 223] {
>>
>> www.gnusystems.ca/gnoxic.htm }{ gnoxics
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Gary Richmond [mailto:[email protected]]
>> *Sent:* 23-May-14 11:44 PM
>> *To:* Phyllis Chiasson
>> *Cc:* Søren Brier; Stephen C. Rose; Gary Fuhrman; Peirce List
>> *Subject:* Re: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God,
>> science and religion: text 1
>>
>>
>>
>> Phyllis, Gene, Soren, Stephen, Gary, Ben, list,
>>
>>
>>
>> I earlier quoted Ehrenreich as writing:
>>
>>
>>
>> *"[T]he world flamed into life.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *There were no visions, no prophetic voices or visits by totemic animals,
>> just this blazing everywhere. Something poured into me, and I poured out
>> into it."  *
>>
>>
>>
>> And then commented that my very few such experiences appeared not unlike
>> hers. When I consider my first experience, which I earlier described as
>> occurring en route to the laundry room, her saying that "the world flamed
>> into life," seems to me to be *not exactly *a metaphor since I too
>> experienced this *flaming* (intense & brilliant light/color)
>> into/of/through my being. I thought much later of Shiva's dance of profound
>> world transformation. But at the moment of that experience I simply felt
>> extremely intensely *affirmed *in/as/by/through the cosmos, so to speak.
>> If I were to try to put into words, my immediate feelings were as a pouring
>> into and out of me a *Yes, Yes, Yes! *
>>
>>
>>
>> And further reflection (and other such experiences, always unexpected
>> without ever being frightening) strongly suggesed to me that even without
>> drugs, as Soren commented, without brain lesions, etc., it is possible for
>> at least some ordinary and sane folk to have experiences which either
>> transform or, in my case, reaffirm  the sense that "the life of the cosmos"
>> is* itself* not a metaphor, that it is possible to have the curtain
>> lifted, even if for only a moment, on what we're conditioned to see as "the
>> world pure and simple and quite ordinary;" I surely don't mean something
>> supernatural, but rather a perfect sense of a cosmos which, as Peirce
>> argues, is really and truly alive and intelligent (for us, intelligible)
>> and, if not exactly benign (since Shiva dances at the destruction of the
>> world even in its transformation), is at least not the result of a
>> meaningless chance singularity (the Big Bang) once for all time, that is,
>> the materialist reduction of the cosmos to a stupefyingly reductivistic
>> nominalistic idiocy. From childhood I have *never* felt it that way, but
>> as alive. Is that so very weird?
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan Watts used to say that to have something as sensitive as an eye in
>> order for there to be sight, that sensitive tissue, etc. (easily capable of
>> being damaged or destroyed) is necessary. For me this was part of the
>> resolution of the problem of evil. The other part, the human part, is just
>> the understanding of the way in which too many of us become so *un*natural
>> as to do the horrible, truly horrific things we do to each other, other
>> creatures, to the planet itself. We have a perverse "free" will to do what
>> is perverse, twisted, cruel.
>>
>>
>>
>> Phyllis wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree that every possibility is real, but I don't agree that ymy
>> interpretations of everything I experience is necessarily accurate. That is
>> why I don't trust that those experiences are transcendent. I think they may
>> be just neglected aspects of perfectly ordinary reality that certain others
>> (or groups of others) have honed (deliberately or unconsciously) to a much
>> greater degree than I.
>>
>>
>>
>> That my interpretations of my experiences are fallible is certainly true.
>> But that some people have honed (or whataver it is, as I don't see my
>> quasi-mystical experience as the result of any such 'honing'), that their
>> sensitivity to these "neglected aspects of perfectly ordinary
>> experience"--if even for a transcendent moment--seems to me something worth
>> investigating, or at least further reflecting on, rather than denying it
>> out of hand (not that you are doing that, Phyllis, but some do--I referred
>> to them recently as essentially kinds of reductivists (and some are
>> scientists and some are artists and some are religious dogmatists and some
>> are just ordinary folk. But I *don't* see them as realists in the
>> deepest, fullest, the Peircean sense.) And, hey, I too am just an ordinary
>> bloke who happened to have had these few extraordinary experiences which
>> reaffirmed something about the universe which, actually, I've always felt
>> was so, and later which I read in Peirce's philosophy when he took up such
>> cosmic themes--in a word, the reality of the life of the cosmos.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once again quoting Ehrenreich:
>>
>>
>>
>> *"Try inserting an account of a mystical experience into a conversation,
>> and you'll likely get the same response as you would if you confided that
>> you had been the victim of an alien abduction*
>>
>> * ."*
>>
>>
>>
>> So I won't say any more on this any time soon, perhaps for some of the
>> reasons that Peirce had nothing more to say specifically about his St.
>> Thomas experience. But since I have had my own such mystical experience, I
>> refuse to denigrate his, or argue it away as some would seem to wish to do.
>> Some, however, are so hostile to religious experience in any form that
>> they'll never accept any sign that there might a life of the cosmos.
>>
>>
>>
>> "I have never before been mystical; but now I am." CSP That may not be a
>> very philosophically pragmatic comment; I'm not sure. I think the arguments
>> offered against it being one are strong.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary R.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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