> On Jul 29, 2014, at 1:44 AM, John Collier <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I made the relevant distinctions in a book chapter in 1990, 
> Intrinsic Information (1990)
> but I had to introduce some new concepts and definitions to the usual 
> thermodynamic ones. The lack of those has caused multiple confusions and 
> misunderstandings when I have discussed the issues on mailing lists. In 
> particular I argued that dissipative and non-dissipative is a scale dependent 
> distinction. The goal was to ask what the world must be like if we get 
> information from the world, as some philosophers hold. At that time I thought 
> that semiotics was too far from my audience that I didn't mention it, tough I 
> have dome some extensions in later papers. 

I’ll check those out John before going further. I think there are a lot of 
hidden assumptions at play which I think need clarified or brought out. My 
apologies for not having been part of the discussion in past dialogs on this. 


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