Dear Clark and list
My I add a few thoughts? I agree that sign are reals, but when they manifests
as tokens their Secondness must enter the world of physics and thermodynamics
must apply. It is work to make signs emerge in non-verbal communication or as
language from ones feeling and thoughts. Even to produces thoughts and feeling
demands work. That would be a biosemiotic view (but one that we have not
discussed much). But I think you are correct in saying that Peirce did not do
any work on this aspect of sign production.
Best
Søren
Fra: Clark Goble [mailto:[email protected]]
Sendt: 31. juli 2014 20:11
Til: Sungchul Ji; Peirce-L
Emne: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for
On Jul 31, 2014, at 2:37 AM, Sungchul Ji
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yes. That is what I am saying, and I too distinguish between material
process of semiotics and semiotics in general. My working hypothesis is
that
"Physics of words/signs is necessary but (073114-2)
not sufficient for their semiosis."
or that
"No equilibrium structures can carry out semiosis (073114-3)
unless and until transformed into dissipative
structures by being activated by input of free
energy. For example, words on a piece of paper
must be lit before they can convey information."
Right, but again that is an ontological assumption of the underlying substrate
for semiotic process. Those who adopt a more idealist rather than materialist
ontology will simply not agree with that. And indeed Peirce, in both his early
and mature phases, would disagree with that conception. (Again, noting that one
can simply mine Peircean semiotics without taking all his thought)
Thus my point about knowledge of a system and whether that system can be
conceived of semiotically.
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