Stephen R - The meaning of, let's say, 'what is a good way to behave in a store line-up' etc, i.e., societal behaviour, is based on, as you say, social consensus.
But what objective reality 'is', can't be based on how we 'name' it, but as you point out - Peirce's focus was that this objective reality exists regardless of what anyone thinks of it (or names it)...and our task as rational scientific beings, is to get as close as we can within the semiosic process, to 'knowing' what it is - and this has nothing to do with what we 'name' it. Edwina ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen C. Rose To: Gary Fuhrman Cc: Peirce List Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Seeing things "things are so because they are called so." That does sound a trifle nominalist. Would not Peirce say something like things are so because over time a community has concluded that the inferences of persons multiply to into of consensus. Perhaps that is what you mean as well. In which case I am guilty, like Rep. Jordan, oe extracting a sentence to represent a whole thought. I think some things are so, the most important ontological things, because they are so, independent of what anyone calls them. I think Peirce agrees. Books http://buff.ly/15GfdqU Art: http://buff.ly/1wXAxbl Gifts: http://buff.ly/1wXADj3 On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 10:47 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: How my post sounds to you, or how you choose to label it, is not an issue for the Peirce list, Edwina. If there is an issue for the list, it’s probably the distinction between dynamic and immediate objects. You have said nothing about that issue, or about anything relevant to what my post as a whole actually says, nothing that calls for a response. I’m only posting this because you chose to copy to the list a casual response that I sent to you offlist. Gary f. } Abyss calls to abyss in the roar of Your channels (Psalms 42:8). [Zohar 1:52a] { http://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ Turning Signs gateway From: Edwina Taborsky [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23-Oct-15 09:55 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Seeing things Never mind the ad hominem - and the smiley face is irrelevant. Stick to the issue. Again, the issue is that your outline sounds to me to be pure postmodernist nominalism/relatavism. The opposite of Peirce's insistence on the objective reality of objects - regardless of what anyone thinks of that object....whereas you are saying that 'things are so because they are called so'! Edwina ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: 'Edwina Taborsky' Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 9:39 AM Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Seeing things That sounds to me like Edwina. J From: Edwina Taborsky [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23-Oct-15 09:25 Sounds to me rather similar to postmodern relativism/nominalism. Edwina ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] We see what we focus on: what we see distinguishes itself from the visual field: the dynamic object determines the sign to determine its interpretant. Cognition begins by making distinctions; recognition continues with emergence of relations from the phaneron, now that things have emerged from the phaneron. A road is made by people walking on it; things are so because they are called so. — Chuangtse 2 (Watson 1968, 40) The chaotic background murmur and crackle of neurons firing, cells doing what they muddily must to stay alive, organizes itself into definite rhythmic patterns, and lo, forms emerge and begin to branch. Presence parts from itself and proliferates as the branches take names. But a metaphor reverses the process by unmaking a familiar distinction, revealing a richer and stranger relationship. By thus renewing our vision, metaphors ‘literally create new objects’ (Jaynes 1976, 50) – immediate objects. Naming is creation, metaphor recreation. “A road” is a metaphor: a road is made by people walking on it; things are so because they are called so. Gary f. } Thought is not an out-of-body experience. [Mark Turner] { http://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ Turning Signs gateway ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to [email protected] . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to [email protected] with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to [email protected] . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to [email protected] with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
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