List, I was informed today by a list member in an off-list message that Soren's post in the thread "[PEIRCE-L] RE: [Sadhu Sanga] Re: Paper Refuting Darwinism Published in Journal 'Communicative & Integrative Biology'," had already been posted (I managed to miss it somehow), so there was no need for me to cut, paste, and post it again, even with a new Subject line; and I apologize for doing so to Soren and to the list.
However, perhaps this may serve as an opportunity for Soren and any future contributors to that line of inquiry to consider what I'd written earlier about posting material from the Sadhu Sanga list to peirce-l. A week or so ago I remarked that to the extent that these messages originating elsewhere were Peirce related, that there was no reason not to post them. If one know's Soren's work at all well, one can recognize that his thinking on religion, science, and society is deeply informed by Peircean thinking in these areas and, as I recall, all but this last post included explicit references to Peirce. What I'd like to reiterate is that I also strongly recommended that these posts delete all but the message which they were replying to, and further, that the author change the Subject line to suggest how the topic they were discussing is related to the interests of peirce-l, much as I attempted to do with Soren's most recent message. I would hope that authors of future messages originating in that other list, a Google group, will respect these recommendations. Gary Richmond (writing as list moderator) [image: Gary Richmond] *Gary Richmond* *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* *Communication Studies* *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* *C 745* *718 482-5690 <718%20482-5690>* On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Gary Richmond <[email protected]> wrote: > Stephen, List, > > I have taken the liberty of cutting and pasting Soren's post which, I > agree, deserves broader distribution. While the post is itself not > specifically Peirce-related, in the context of Soren's work in this area, > one can certainly see the deep connections. > > I have changed the subject line, using Soren's good, final question in the > post. Thanks for pointing to it, Stephen. > > Best, > > Gary R > > Dear Dr. Bhakti Niskama Shanta > > > > It is well-known that the dominant form of science in the world today is > established in Europe and later in the US and therefore based on the > tradition from the Greek philosophers, which are famous for starting their > Deliberation > on the Cosmos first and the divine later. This was developed further with > the birth of the empirical science from the renaissance and on with Galilei > and in the Enlightenment science released itself from the philosophical > influence and political power of the Catholic church. Modernity is > characterized by a spilt between religion, science, art, money and > politics. Thus we no longer have a center in our democratic society based > on a divine Pharaoh, Kaiser, sultan, king og Rajah that has the religious, > political, economic, juridical and violence power concentrated in one > person as the center of like the Dalai Lama before he denounced his > political power and encouraged democracy. Niklas Luhmann truth, love, > power, money for symbolic generalized media of communication that are > autopoietic self-organized and therefore closed to each other but compete > about who should have most influence on the cultural and social idea of > rationality. > > > > Democracy is not a part of the Vedic teaching at all. It is interesting to > see how Dalai Lama and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi dealt with this. Both of them > let the social organization to the political and economic forces in > democracy and established the spiritual dimension in its own autocratic > organization. They also let science develop in its own system. Even the > catholic church has recognized evolution (and ecology)as the scientific > view of the living world as well as the big bang cosmogony. Now we know > that theories of science do not represent the only form of knowledge in > society and certainly not the final and absolute truth, which you seem to > claim for your philosophical-religious system. The spiritual truth you > speak about is something else than what true science seek. The deep problem > is how we deal with these different types of knowledge because your idea of > truth is not the scientific one. > > > > Anyway the Vedic view of these things has to prove itself and the nation > India built upon this philosophical-theological culture and being the > biggest democracy on earth still needs to prove itself as having a superior > knowledge that can produce a superior culture. But maybe you thing this is > only possible by going back to the pre-democratic structure of culture? We > see movement like that in Russia with the orthodox church with Putin as a > king of new Czar and in Islamic State establishing the old sultan reign. > The two attempt appear very violent and not very productive and beneficial > for the common man. So > > can we encompass spirituality, democracy and science in one culture, do > you think? > > > > Warmest > > > Søren Brier > > [image: Gary Richmond] > > *Gary Richmond* > *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* > *Communication Studies* > *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* > *C 745* > *718 482-5690 <718%20482-5690>* > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Stephen C. Rose <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> This is a reply I wrote to Soren's note to a Google group I do not belong >> to. I hope he posts it here as it is interesting. >> Soren Brier wrote“spirituality, democracy and science in one culture,” >> >> These are keywords of an emerging universal and global culture. The >> binary activities of Putin and ISIS and elements within democratic >> societies are gradually doomed to give way to a more reasoned approach. The >> underlying reason for this transition is the accelerating movement toward >> what Peirce offered as the linchpins of an evolutionary agapistic reality: >> a sense of fallibility and a sense of continuity contributing to the >> gradual decline of religion and its replacement by individual universal >> spirituality and mutual respect. >> >> >> ----------------------------- >> PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON >> PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to >> [email protected] . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L >> but to [email protected] with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the >> BODY of the message. More at >> http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm . >> >> >> >> >> >> >
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