Gary f., list

You wrote,

   The sign

       [quote Peirce] is determined by the object, but in no other
       respect than goes to enable it to act upon the interpreting
       quasi-mind; and the more perfectly it fulfills its function as a
       sign, the less effect it has upon that quasi-mind other than
       that of determining it as if the object itself had acted upon
       it. [EP2:391] [end quote Peirce]

   In another idiom, the more perfectly functional aspect of the sign
   is called /signal/, while its effects on the quasi-mind ‘other than
   that of determining it as if the object itself had acted upon it’
   are attributed to /noise/.
   [End quote]

I think that it's worth making the point that the signal/noise relation involves an idea of what questions or interests the quasi-mind has in the semiosis, i.e., one quasi-mind's signal is another quasi-mind's noise, and a phenomenon may appear to involve different signs and objects of interest to different quasi-minds, and may vary in those regards for a given quasi-mind through its shifts of questions and interests; such shifting may itself become involved in larger semiosis. The Shannon communication scenario with its pre-established codes seems a good analogue for simple semiotic situations as long as we bear in mind that that its distinctions (signal/noise) will get 'relativized' (or something like that) and complex in complex situations. Well, I guess that already happens in some information theory, or in information algebra, where issues of multiple sources, a person's (or quasi-mind's) questions, etc., are supposed to get involved. Not a subject that I know about in any detail, I confess.

In literature, some writers seem to desire that the signs efface themselves as if their whole effect were that of the objects themselves directly on the reader; this is sometimes called "realism". An example is Hubert Selby (_Last Exit to Brooklyn_, etc.). Other writers desire to have prominent style, to draw attention to the signs themselves, such that the signs or semiosis easily become much of the literary object, along with emotions that they convey, and so on; Edward Dahlberg (_Because I Was Flesh_, etc.) is a classic case. Both kinds of writing are actually quite 'artificial' or stylized, but in different ways. Many, maybe most, literary writers combine those desires; anyway I'm reluctant to try to put Joyce, Melville, etc., somewhere along a spectrum of that sort of thing.

Best, Ben

On 6/13/2016 10:02 AM, [email protected] wrote:

List,

Below is my latest fine-tuning of an explanation of this complex of basic Peircean concepts. Comments and corrections always welcome, of course. The same text is readable online at http://gnusystems.ca/TS/blr.htm#Perce or on my blog as today’s post.

Gary f.

} The aspects of things that are most important for us are hidden because of their simplicity and familiarity. [Wittgenstein] {

http://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ /Turning Signs/ gateway

*Percepts* <http://gnusystems.ca/TS/rlb.htm#judg> (considered as signs) represent a world external to the perceiver. /Nevertheless, the/ perceptual judgments /which identify what you see (as this or that type of thing) are based as much on your perceptual habits as on what’s really out there. … Consequently the objects of our attention in a genuine quest for truth must be the dynamic objects of the signs constituting our reading of reality./

Only semiosis can /inform/ anyone, and ’every sign,—or, at any rate, nearly every one,—is a determination of something of the general nature of a mind, which we may call the “quasi-mind”’ (EP2:389).

    This quasi-mind is an object which from whatever standpoint it be
    examined, must evidently have, like anything else, its special
    qualities of susceptibility to determination. Moreover, the
    determinations come as events each one once for all and never
    again. Furthermore, it must have its rules or laws, the more
    special ones variable, others invariable.  [EP2:545]

These “rules or laws” are what we call the habits of the system, the bodymind. As for the sign, it is determined by the situation (consisting of relevant events in the world) of which the system is informed, which we call the /object/ of the sign. The sign

    is determined by the object, but in no other respect than goes to
    enable it to act upon the interpreting quasi-mind; and the more
    perfectly it fulfills its function as a sign, the less effect it
    has upon that quasi-mind other than that of determining it as if
    the object itself had acted upon it.  [EP2:391]

In another idiom, the more perfectly functional aspect of the sign is called /signal/, while its effects on the quasi-mind ‘other than that of determining it as if the object itself had acted upon it’ are attributed to /noise/. The informable system, in order to experience either signal or noise, must embody some /indeterminacy/, or variable state space <http://gnusystems.ca/TS/mns.htm#stsp>. The sign which conveys information /determines/ its interpretant by virtually selecting among the possible variations which constitute the state space of the system. This enables a sentient being to orient itself with respect to the state of its Umwelt (that part of the world with which it can interact). Of course, the mental system does not need to be conscious of doing this, but it does have to /perceive/ the relevant part of its world as the subject of a perceptual judgment, a quasi-proposition or /dicisign/.

Is the /percept/ itself a sign? It depends …

    The percept is … whole and undivided. It has parts, in the sense
    that in thought it can be separated; but it does not represent
    itself to have parts. In its mode of being as a percept it is one
    single and undivided whole.

    The percept is not the only thing that we ordinarily say we
    “perceive”; and when I professed to believe only what I perceived,
    of course I did not mean /percepts,/ since percepts are not
    subjects of belief or disbelief. I meant /perceptual judgments./
    Given a percept, this percept does not describe itself; for
    description involves analysis, while the percept is whole and
    undivided. But once having a percept, I may contemplate it, and
    say to myself, ‘That appears to be a yellow chair’; and our usual
    language is that we “perceive” it to be a yellow chair, although
    this is not a percept, but a judgement about a present percept.
     [CP 7.625-6 (1903?)]

This is the origin of /facts/ as used in reasoning.

    The whole question is what the /perceptual facts/ are, as given in
    direct perceptual judgments. By a perceptual judgment, I mean a
    judgment asserting in propositional form what a character of a
    percept directly present to the mind is. The percept of course is
    not itself a judgment, nor can a judgment in any degree resemble a
    percept. It is as unlike it as the printed letters in a book,
    where a Madonna of Murillo is described, are unlike the picture
    itself.  [EP2:155 (1903); likewise EP2:191]

    I am thoroughly accustomed to think of percepts or rather of
    perceptual judgments as the data of all knowledge, and as such
    having a certain imperfect reality. They /exist,/ —the percepts
    themselves do. But developed reality only belongs to signs of a
    certain description. Percepts are signs for psychology; but they
    are not so for phenomenology.  [CP 8.300 (1904)]

For phenomenology, or phaneroscopy, percepts are /not/ signs: they are phenomena, directly present to the mind without regard to whether they are present mediately or immediately. Perceptual /judgments/, on the other hand, being assertions in propositional form, /are/ signs professing to inform perceivers /about/ objects. The psychologist, looking into the perceptual process from outside of it, sees the percept as a sign of the object perceived; but to the perceiver of that object, it’s the object of the sign expressing his judgment about what kind of object it is. This sign is a kind of quasi-proposition, a “genuine or informational index” EP2:172).

    A /proposition/ is a symbol which like the informational index has
    a special part to represent the representamen, while the whole or
    another special part represents the object. The part which
    represents the /representamen/ and which excites an /icon/ in the
    imagination, is the Predicate. The part which indicates the object
    or set of objects of the representamen is called the Subject or
    Subjects … How much shall be embraced in the predicate and how
    many subjects shall be recognized depends, for the ordinary
    analyses of logic, upon what mode of analysis will answer the
    purpose in hand.  [EP2:172]

    … the perceptual judgment does not represent the percept
    /logically./ In what intelligible manner, then, does it represent
    the percept? It cannot be a /copy/ of it; for, as will presently
    appear, it does not resemble the percept at all. There remains but
    one way in which it can represent the percept; namely, as an
    index, or true symptom, just as a weather-cock indicates the
    direction of the wind or a thermometer the temperature. There is
    no warrant for saying that the perceptual judgment actually /is/
    such an index of the percept, other than the /ipse dixit/ of the
    perceptual judgment itself. And even if it be so, what is an
    index, or true symptom? It is something which, without any
    rational necessitation, is forced by blind fact to correspond to
    its object. To say, then, that the perceptual judgment is an
    infallible symptom of the character of the percept means only that
    in some unaccountable manner we find ourselves impotent to refuse
    our assent to it in the presence of the percept, and that there is
    no appeal from it.  [CP 7.628 (1903?)]

    In place of the /percept,/ which, although not the first
    impression of sense, is a construction with which my will has had
    nothing to do, and may, therefore, properly be called the
    “evidence of my senses,” the only thing I carry away with me is
    the /perceptual facts,/ or the intellect’s description of the
    evidence of the senses, made by my endeavor. These perceptual
    facts are wholly unlike the percept, at best; and they may be
    downright untrue to the percept. But I have no means whatever of
    criticizing, correcting or recomparing them, except that I can
    collect new perceptual facts relating to new percepts, and on that
    basis may infer that there must have been some error in the former
    reports, or on the other hand I may in this way persuade myself
    that the former reports were true. The perceptual facts are a very
    imperfect report of the percepts; but I cannot go behind that record.
    …
    The data from which inference sets out and upon which all
    reasoning depends are the /perceptual facts,/ which are the
    intellect’s fallible record of the /percepts,/ or “evidence of the
    senses.” It is these percepts alone upon which we can absolutely
    rely, and that not as representative of any underlying reality
    other than themselves.  [CP 2.141-3 (1902)]

That last sentence explains why /percepts/ are not signs for phenomenology, or for logic. But the /perceptual judgment/ is the starting point of all cognition, which is always semiosic: “every concept and every thought beyond immediate perception is a sign” (EP2:402).

Is the /object/ of a sign “whole and undivided” as the percept is for phaneroscopy? If the sign is /symbolic/, the singularity or plurality of its object(s) depends on the point of view:

    A sign may have more than one Object. Thus, the sentence “Cain
    killed Abel,” which is a Sign, refers at least as much to Abel as
    to Cain, even if it be not regarded as it should, as having /“a
    killing”/ as a third Object. But the set of objects may be
    regarded as making up one complex Object. In what follows and
    often elsewhere Signs will be treated as having but one object
    each for the sake of dividing difficulties of the study. [CP 2.230
    (1910)]

Thus ‘Every sign has a single object, though this single object may be a single set or a single continuum of objects’ (EP2:393, 1906). Genuine cognition is the development of these signs (which are also ourselves, according to Peirce) toward the complete continuum which would be the /whole truth/. This development proceeds by /generalization/ underwritten by perception.

    … if there be any perceptual judgment, or proposition directly
    expressive of and resulting from the quality of a present percept,
    or sense-image, that judgment must involve generality in its
    predicate.
    That which is not general is singular; and the singular is that
    which reacts. The being of a singular may consist in the being of
    other singulars which are its parts. Thus heaven and earth is a
    singular; and its being consists in the being of heaven and the
    being of earth, each of which reacts and is therefore a singular,
    forming a part of heaven and earth. If I had denied that every
    perceptual judgment refers, as to its subject, to a singular, and
    that singular actually reacting upon the mind in forming the
    judgment, actually reacting too upon the mind in interpreting the
    judgment, I should have uttered an absurdity. For every
    proposition whatsoever refers as to its subject to a singular
    actually reacting upon the utterer of it and actually reacting
    upon the interpreter of it. All propositions relate to the same
    ever-reacting singular; namely, to the totality of all real
    objects. (EP2:208-9)

Organisms capable of uttering or interpreting propositions are in the same boat with all living organisms in this respect: we must maintain our /internal/ continuity, our integrity, in order to engage in semiosis at all. In order to cope with our situations, we must discover some continuities in the external world as well. We do this by perceiving objects and generalizing about the relations in which they (and we) are involved. Interaction with our current situation requires semiotic mediation, but not necessarily attention to /semiosis/, or to signs /as such/. The more attention given to semiosis, so that signs become objects of attention, the more /deliberate/ interpretation and practice become. But attention to perceived /objects/ is the bedrock on which all cognition is built.

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